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Yeah, but Kawhi could further work to develop a game that is more in line with what is proven to work, which would give us more roster flexibility (i.e. we can get away with having just a "good" PG instead of an All-Star level PG).
If Kawhi continues to imitate Jordan, then the Spurs are very much forced to find that star PG.
That said, he just might not be capable of developing an elite penetration game (not a slight, no one can be the perfect player), so the FO will have to build accordingly.
Because he is a filthy rich loser.
Will this team win it all as constructed? Probably not. Is Kawhi that good that he has us with the 2nd best record in the league? Yes. Just because we don't win it all does that mean Kawhi is a failure? No. If Pop had better players would he run a different system? Probably. But the fact of the matter is that we don't and we have to roll with what we got.
Idk he's had a corpse at PG these past two years. I'd like to see what this Kawhi can do with an upgrade there. Decent PGs are a dime a dozen, I think Rique's contract has more to do with with the problem there than with Kawhi being tough to build around.
I also don't think this is Kawhi's final form. His playmaking is continually improving.
I don't believe any of that. Why is this Kawhi's fault? He's an MVP level player, we wouldn't even be having this discussion if Kawhi had better players around him.
The Spurs don't have a good PG. Far from it.
He'd be better on offense why because your fatness says so? You're an arrogant fat ass who wants his predictions to be passed off as facts.
Klay isn't a 1st option most of the time for a reason. There's other things besides getting more plays run for you that comes with being a first option. You know like more game planning from defenses, more double teams. It's idiotic to nonchalantly assume Klaynus could handle those things better than Kawhi.
More verbiage semantics by the fat boy. He was still a #2 during that WCF. Got hot at the right time and deserves tons of credit for coming up big but that doesn't make him a #1.
Kawhi's 3 has disappeared ... thats alarming
Do you "constructively" critice his game in this thread?
Saying "if he plays like Harden..." without context.
This is the most stupid thing I heard from you. Even more that your "Parker can score 25 against GSW" of last year.
Just in case you forget...
Kawhi has been better than Harden as scorer.
Then tell me who opted to sign Pau and Manu instead of completing Kawhi's game with a guard who can drive, or at least, can shoot.
This is how RC/Pop wanted to build the Spurs, if you have an issue BLAME THEM, not Kawhi.
Like it or not, a part of LeBron success is related to being surrounded by elite guards like Wade and Irving. Kawhi's the only elite-team leading scorer who doesn't have a perimeter threat to take pressure off.
If Kawhi would have that type of star PG, they would be like KD and Russ in OKC but more efficient and successful.
Last edited by YGWHI; 03-30-2017 at 04:43 AM.
Agreed. When Curry, LeBron, have an off night, their teams have the personnel to solve it. But the Spurs are just Kawhi, if his shot struggles like tonight, they're ed, like in OKC series they have a ton of good looks they just missed them badly.
I guess you missed his idea of how Kawhi offense should be...He literally said "Kawhi should just trot to the corner and wait"
Parking in the corner, catch and shoot. In his mind, Kawhi has to be reduced to just a 3D guy.
But we already know his mind works in a weird way, like tonight when he said
When the Spurs had the lead at first half and lost it in the 3rd quarter...
Agreed. He had a bad game, an off night.its impossible for fans to accept that kawhi had a bad game by his standards
Then you have fans overreacting here, like OP and Chinook saying that "Kawhi puts the team at risk"
Sadly, the Spurs can't survive against elite teams if Kawhi doesn't play at MVP level all his minutes. That's the only reason of their low ceiling, it's not Kawhi's style of game, the issue is no one step up/take over games if he's off.
And Kawhi is human, nobody will play great ALL games of a playoffs series, neither beat the GSW alone.
Demarcus Cousins (a post player) ranks 3rd. How's that working out for his teams (Sac/NO)?
I'm not blaming Kawhi for anything. Stating a fact. Post-play isn't effective in pressuring team defenses like it used to be. It doesn't tire defenses out, like scrambling to cover shooters or collapsing on penetrators. It's harder to playmake from the post (how's Kawhi's playmaking compare to Harden?). It's amazing Kawhi's averages that PPP when his offense is 50% midrange jumpers, but it's not going to work in the playoffs against 3 point shooting attacks. You can't beat math. I also want to see what Kawhi is averaging (PPS) from the midrange.
And I didn't say say Parker "can" score 25 against GS last year. I said we'll need him to be a threat for 25. And I'm right. Guess what sank us this game? A combined 6 points from the PGs. 25 from Parker or even Mills would've come in handy.
Oh, and Harden still averages more PPS than Kawhi.
Clever, you were, comparing their points per possession, when Harden is essentially a point guard who will have more possessions where he's looking to playmake.
James Harden leads the lead in touches, yet averages only a sliver less points-per-possession.
http://stats.nba.com/players/touches...=TOUCHES&dir=1
You almost threw that one by me. Nice try
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I wouldnt say that Kawhi is just a post-up player when he was leading the league on PPP in P&Rs as ball-handler.
Also, you forget that he's averaging almost 5 apg in the last 5 games in part because he improved a lot his drive and kick's
You can repeat he's one of the best perimeter post-up players of last 15 years, that's old style, blah blah...While I say he's one of most versatile scorer in today-NBA
Let me see...Kawhi? Since he's MVP candidate, top 3-5 player in the league but he "puts the team at risk" this season.And I didn't say say Parker "can" score 25 against GS last year. I said we'll need him to be a threat for 25. And I'm right. Guess what sank us this game?
a-You said he was still able to score 25 in a game against Warriors.A combined 6 points from the PGs. 25 from Parker or even Mills would've come in handy.
b-What you don't understand is that Kawhi's style of game doesn't matter when this team has many holes to fill...
He could be Magic out there making plays for everyone and still shooters would miss wide open looks, opposite guards would kill Parker, Mills, Manu, the same with Pau in P&Rs.
You say it's a matter of style of play, I say it's a supporting cast issue.
We wouldn't talk of post-up style if Kawhi would have at least one or two teammates putting numbers consistently.
Last edited by YGWHI; 03-30-2017 at 05:24 AM.
We use per 100 possessions stats to compare players who don't play the same minutes, nor have the same USG%, FGAs, touches.Oh, and Harden still averages more PPS than Kawhi.
Clever, you were, comparing their points per possession, when Harden is essentially a point guard who will have more possessions where he's looking to playmake.
James Harden leads the lead in touches, yet averages only a sliver less points-per-possession.
http://stats.nba.com/players/touches...=TOUCHES&dir=1
You almost threw that one by me. Nice try
Like in Kawhi-Harden case, per 100 are fairer than ppg.
Doesn't matter. If the result of the pick-and-roll play is a midrange jumper, it's basically the same thing. Even if he's efficient on midrange shots, it's just not a sustainable style.
Needs to do it more.Also, you forget that he's averaging almost 5 apg in the last 5 games in part because he improved a lot his drive and kick's
Versatility doesn't matter anymore. Two shots work in the NBA. 3 pointers/layups. Also FTs, and that's one thing he's elite at.You can repeat he's one of the best perimeter post-up player of last 15 years, that's old style...While I say he's one of most versatile scorer in today-NBA
I never said he puts the team at risk, but I do agree that a midrange centric game is "riskier" than what the Rockets or Celtics play. It comes down to math. Simple as that.Let me see...Kawhi? Since he's MVP candidate, top 3-5 player in the league but he "puts the team at risk" this season.
Maybe I did say it. Find me the quote. But Parker last season was the only back court player who seemed even capable of scoring 25, so I was "all in" on him. And I was right, again. The 3rd option by committee idea blew up in your faces against the Thunder.a-You said he was still able to score 25 in a game against Warriors.
b-What you don't understand is that Kawhi's style of game doesn't matter when this team has many holes to fill...
He could be Magic out there making plays for everyone and still shooters would miss wide open looks, opposite guards would kill Parker, Mills, Manu, the same with Pau in P&Rs.
You say it's a matter of style of play, I say it's a supporting cast issue.
We wouldn't talk of post-up style if Kawhi would have at least one or two teammates putting numbers consistently.
I agree a huge part of the problem is the backcourt. I've made threads about it, but Kawhi isn't "blameless." Certain parts of his game just don't "work" anymore with how the NBA has evolved (devolved in my mind). You think I'm slighting Kawhi. No. I want his style (and the Spurs overall "size kills" style) to work. I was hoping he'd have a monster game tonight using his style, after which I would've made a thread nicknaming him "The Paradigm Shift." Had it all planned out. But it's obvious his style isn't sustainable against top teams, especially over a 7 game series.
And Kawhi does have consistent helpers. LMA is a 20ppg per 36 scorer. And Gasol and Lee have been great off the bench. If he didn't have help, the Spurs wouldn't have the 2nd best record in the league.
That said, the Warriors are far better on paper, so I'm not expecting a le, but if we don't reach the WCF, then the writing will really be on the wall.
Calm down. He's still a top 3 player, but he needs a backcourt player who is near his equal offensively, like an Isaiah Thomas.
Summed up well.
Kawai was a letdown. We have to give Igs & barnes credit. They forced him into shots that were ill- advised or out of his comfort zone. When Kawai tried to make play's for teammates his decison making was woeful usally doing it when driving into a crowd.
Great thing is kawai is a quick study & probably needed game like this to learn from . Glad its the regular season.
Now onto the other big issue. Whos going to step up at point
I'd compare Kawhiso more to 2nd three-peat Jordan than Kobe. He's a much more efficient midrange shooter and won't shoot some ridiculous fadeaway even if he's double teamed - he's a very willing passer. It's not an efficient prototype to base your game on today, but he is extremely good at it.
With ABC-NBAs agenda to promote beard, the amount of bogus FTs is staggering.
But don't get me wrong, completely agree with this thread.
Pops offense is not best suited to Kwa.
And sadly Kwa has had far too many trips down the floor that he goes into Kobme mode.
Jesus a couple of those forced treys last night vs Golden were pathetic. 100% Kobme possessions.
Harden went because JET and JSmoove bailed his ass out.
So...the take-home message of this thread is, "If we had a star PG we'd be a better team."
How ing insightful.
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