So what's the plan for PG situation in the 2017 offseason..

[ElNono]

Hes a SG. Simmons and Manu may be gone. Maybe just one of the two. Either way if its just one or both, hes one if best defensive players overseas and hed fill in depth at the two.

I saw him listed as a SF, but now I see him as a G/F for Baskonia.

[Robz4000]

There's nothing incompetent about PATFO. They've had priorites and have done a of a job with this team. The last two years they've had to get talent (LMA) to put next to Kawhi, resign Danny, Kawhi and rebuild the bench. Then last year they had to find a TD replacement and rebuild the bench yet again. Both those were higher priority than Tony (and even so two recent #1 picks Murray and KA were point guards). The fact that we're contending shows they've done well. Now, is it time to address, sure. But it was a reasonable hope that Tony could hang on until those other needs were addressed or that Patty might become starter-worthy or that one of Murray, Forbes, KA, or Simmons would blossom into a keeper in the guard rotation.

The mentality on this site is always - "If the team has a weakness, someone in the front office, must have screwed up." i don't agree. Just maintaining contender status takes a of a lot or work and a little luck. RC has done as well as could possibly be reasonably expected.

It is a shame a few years ago when Tony was at the tail end of his prime (and making All NBA teams) when we had TOO many pgs in the line: CJ, Decolo, Patty, Neal. Now, the cupboard is bare but its not incompetence, just simply you can't solve all problems at all times.

There is no replacing TD, and PATFO more than anyone should've known this. Getting Gasol was a nice upgrade for the offense but another front court offensive player who doesn't play D was the wrong move, and as we've seen he doesn't really solve the issues this team faced the past two years (three if you count 2015 but they still had CoJo then) with consistent PG play.

It's also not difficult to keep this team in "contender" status when 90% of the league is incompetent/tanking. I know quite a few people still wanna believe PATFO can do no wrong, but people get older/lose their drive/just get passed by the times. We're definitely seeing it with Pop the past few years and it isn't unreasonable to think RC and the rest are similar. Also doesn't help that the braintrust is continuously raided by other teams.

As for drafting PGs, Fathead was never going to be an NBA PG and everyone knew that. Thankfully they drafted Murray but based off Parker's play the previous two years they should've been looking for a PG that could take the reigns sooner ala Brogdon, albeit it looks like Murray has the higher ceiling so I'm not upset on that account.

The signs have been on the wall for 2+ years now and all PATFO have done to address the issue was draft Murray while building the team with all this front court depth was an antiquated idea from the beginning. Hopefully they realize this in the off season and try to fix the backcourt issues instead of doubling down on this notion that zigging while the league zags is a good idea.

[apalisoc_9]

I saw him listed as a SF, but now I see him as a G/F for Baskonia.

Don't get your hopes up. I've followed Hanga and it's hard for me to imagine him having a role in the NBA. He's kinda slow even in European standards. I don't know how his defense is going to translate in the NBA.

Also the team can look into signing Teodosic for something that is lower than Mills caphold. A 10/2 with a player option or team option should save the save 1.5 in the cap to retain dedmon.

Really strong feeling that Mills is gone by the end of season unless the spurs pull an upset and win a championship.

I'm not sure of Kawhi has any say or pull in the organization but if he does, we probably see mills next year. With litte improvemebt to fix the PG dilemma.

[apalisoc_9]

There is no replacing TD, and PATFO more than anyone should've known this. Getting Gasol was a nice upgrade for the offense but another front court offensive player who doesn't play D was the wrong move, and as we've seen he doesn't really solve the issues this team faced the past two years (three if you count 2015 but they still had CoJo then) with consistent PG play.

It's also not difficult to keep this team in "contender" status when 90% of the league is incompetent/tanking. I know quite a few people still wanna believe PATFO can do no wrong, but people get older/lose their drive/just get passed by the times. We're definitely seeing it with Pop the past few years and it isn't unreasonable to think RC and the rest are similar. Also doesn't help that the braintrust is continuously raided by other teams.

As for drafting PGs, Fathead was never going to be an NBA PG and everyone knew that. Thankfully they drafted Murray but based off Parker's play the previous two years they should've been looking for a PG that could take the reigns sooner ala Brogdon, albeit it looks like Murray has the higher ceiling so I'm not upset on that account.

The signs have been on the wall for 2+ years now and all PATFO have done to address the issue was draft Murray while building the team with all this front court depth was an antiquated idea from the beginning. Hopefully they realize this in the off season and try to fix the backcourt issues instead of doubling down on this notion that zigging while the league zags is a good idea.

You can't fault for trying to improve the team. This team despite the fact that they're going to win less games is better than last years team. They're not going to build a team based on the obssessive idea of countering Golden State. That's a disaster wauting to happen.

[SAGirl]

I am by no means a Parker hater. I respect the guy and his legacy. He's somewhere between the 4th and 6th best Spur to ever play the game and will be in the HOF.

That said, I do wonder if next year, with an expiring contract, if the Spurs might trade him or do somesort of salary dump to clear space. Parker's on court play will be of little value but an expiring contract is an expiring contract. Would Pop and RC do it? Yeah, I think they might.

As far as the solution. Well, that's not so easy. You sign a mid-tier guy and hope he blossoms in the Spurs system. Or you throw Murray into the mix. Or you spend on Patty and make him the starter (meh). Pop and RC are the best at plugging holes. Replacing TD was the priority last summer. Next summer may be harder depending on who opts out and who opts in. With TP in freefall, Manu and Patty and Simmons all possibly gone our guard rotations are up in the air. It would have been nice if Forbes had shown signs of being Patty jr, but he hasn't.

Or you sign a 2 guard or combo guard that's there for D and turn Kawhi into a point forward. .

They are already having Kawhi as a kind of point forward but he's a scorer... they need help distributing. None of the starters is an above average passer. Kawhi has improved a lot but a guy with his usage and with the attention he already draws should be creating more. That part of the game didn't come natural to him.

I don't want to put limits to how much he can still improve that bc he's young and not still in his prime but it's not all on him. Lamarcus is not an above average passer either, Danny is not either and you can guess what happens at the C spot after this season. They do need someone who gets them different looks (Tony in his better games did that. Some games ending up with 8+ assists.) They need someone who in addition to hitting an open spot up 3 can create off the dribble to give them a different dimension and to make them harder to defend. Even if just as a secondary playmaker maybe Murray can be that guy already

[Robz4000]

You can't fault for trying to improve the team. This team despite the fact that they're going to win less games is better than last years team. They're not going to build a team based on the obssessive idea of countering Golden State. That's a disaster wauting to happen.

That's exactly what they tried to do this year though. I'm saying rather than trying to build the team in the exact opposite way of the Dubs they should've just focused on improving the team's overall build which means upgrading the PG spot since they already have/had Kawhi and LMA. Scoring balance does matter.

[apalisoc_9]

That's exactly what they tried to do this year though. I'm saying rather than trying to build the team in the exact opposite way of the Dubs they should've just focused on improving the team's overall build which means upgrading the PG spot since they already have/had Kawhi and LMA. Scoring balance does matter.

Not really. The spurs has played with two traditional bigs since 2011. Even the 2014 team had Diaw-Duncan-Tiago-Bonner

All bigs.

[Robz4000]

Not really. The spurs has played with two traditional bigs since 2011. Even the 2014 team had Diaw-Duncan-Tiago-Bonner

All bigs.

Other than Duncan none of those three were elite rebounders. They had different skills that generally complimented the guard play of Parker/Manu. This year they have Gasol, Lee, and Dedmon, all of whom are great rebounders, and with the added emphasis on offensive rebounding this year its clear the team tried to go with a dominant frontline (post play, controlling the boards, put backs, etc) to combat the Dubs.

[spursistan]

It's kinda of sad at this point..

[JohnnyMax]

[Jdspur20]

George Hill would be a solid pick up. Not sure how much it will cost though.
I love tony but he needs to retire.

[Horse]

There's no realistic fix that's going to catapult the Spurs over the Warriors. It's Warriors time right now ( like it was ours in the 00's) and we are the Suns/Mavs of the mid 00's. It is what is it.

Next year is a transition year. One where they have to throw Murray in the fire to expedite his growth like Spurs did with Parker in 01'. It simply has to happen. Next year will be a transition year, but Spurs will still win 55+ games and still give us hope. The same hope the Suns fans had in the mid 00's.

Hopefully Murray can reach his high ceiling in the next few years to be able to help prime Leonard have a real shot when Warriors start descending.

that it won't be easy maybe not likely. But even going up 20 the offense wasn't at its best. We need to be razor focused slow the game down make them pay inside and get physical. After Monday the way we started may have blown our heads up a little too much. Let's not forget the game still changes in the playoffs.
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[duncan2k5]

I would want Murray to start right now, tbh...this dude will be a GOP 10 pg...trust me...the few times he was given the chance to play significant minutes, he has exceeded expectations... And that's with him not knowing the team, and not knowing opposing tendencies... Right now he is better than rookie TP, and definitely better than current TP

[vander]

I would much rather see the Spurs hand the keys to Murray at the start of the season.

this is the only option with any upside. let Mills go, bring TP off the bench, lots of cap room in 2018

[Brazil]

I am by no means a Parker hater. I respect the guy and his legacy. He's somewhere between the 4th and 6th best Spur to ever play the game and will be in the HOF.

That said, I do wonder if next year, with an expiring contract, if the Spurs might trade him or do somesort of salary dump to clear space. Parker's on court play will be of little value but an expiring contract is an expiring contract. Would Pop and RC do it? Yeah, I think they might.

As far as the solution. Well, that's not so easy. You sign a mid-tier guy and hope he blossoms in the Spurs system. Or you throw Murray into the mix. Or you spend on Patty and make him the starter (meh). Pop and RC are the best at plugging holes. Replacing TD was the priority last summer. Next summer may be harder depending on who opts out and who opts in. With TP in freefall, Manu and Patty and Simmons all possibly gone our guard rotations are up in the air. It would have been nice if Forbes had shown signs of being Patty jr, but he hasn't.

Or you sign a 2 guard or combo guard that's there for D and turn Kawhi into a point forward. .

you hater

[Dverde]

TP is not going to leave that money on the table. There is hope that next year will be his last one. I don't mind him sticking around as the 3rd PG like Steve Kerr. He can still hit a big time shot. Spurs won't trade him. Deep down everyone on this site knows it.

[Trueblood]

Send Murray to SDSU with Kawhi and Chip. Have him on the Klaw's 2 a day training sessions and then have him start game 1. Parker isn't going anywhere but they might bring him off the bench. It's a win win because Murray would be (in theory) vastly improved from trying to guard Kawhi all summer plus Chip can work on his shot, and Parker could slide into a mentor roll and come off the bench which far better fits his diminished skill set.

[SupremeGuy]

Tony needs a career ender, there I said it. That's the only way he'll get off this team.

[gambit1990]

if tony wants to keep playing for the spurs they should send him up to austin and leave him there.

[Keepin' it real]

There's no realistic fix that's going to catapult the Spurs over the Warriors. It's Warriors time right now ( like it was ours in the 00's) and we are the Suns/Mavs of the mid 00's. It is what is it.

Next year is a transition year. One where they have to throw Murray in the fire to expedite his growth like Spurs did with Parker in 01'. It simply has to happen. Next year will be a transition year, but Spurs will still win 55+ games and still give us hope...

THIS year is supposed to be the transition year. Saying farewell to Timmy ... and Boban. So many new players.

[MaNu4Tres]

THIS year is supposed to be the transition year. Saying farewell to Timmy ... and Boban. So many new players.

Only player the Spurs lost who had a pulse was Boban.

Tim was done, West was done, Boris was about done, Martin was done, Miller was done, Bonner was done. In the playoffs last year, Diaw, Martin, Miller, Bonner, Boban were non factors. West and Duncan played but played very poorly. Spurs aren't missing much from the players who Spurs let go last year. Anything added was going to be a positive.

Next year is a transition year as they have to change the core of the team by giving Murray the keys and putting Tony in the backseat or in the trunk. Manu will likely retire too and Gasol may opt out if he doesn't want to come off the bench or if he gets offered more money from the Grizz or Twolves.

[palangi]

Whatever it is that whole back court needs some work. SG and PG. Even if it means bringing in another SF and moving Leonard to the SG. Then have Danny come off the bench as a scorer.

[BillMc]

you hater

[rjv]

There's no realistic fix that's going to catapult the Spurs over the Warriors. It's Warriors time right now ( like it was ours in the 00's) and we are the Suns/Mavs of the mid 00's. It is what is it.

Next year is a transition year. One where they have to throw Murray in the fire to expedite his growth like Spurs did with Parker in 01'. It simply has to happen. Next year will be a transition year, but Spurs will still win 55+ games and still give us hope. The same hope the Suns fans had in the mid 00's.

Hopefully Murray can reach his high ceiling in the next few years to be able to help prime Leonard have a real shot when Warriors start descending.

we need help at the wings also and anderson and simmons have likely reached their ceiling. the one huge asset we have is a cap space (and some trade assets) to work with so it's possible we could shore up the guard spot significantly in a short amount of time, provided murray evolves quickly.

[cd98]

No PG on this roster is fit to handle Splash Bros. Spurs need to hope they get lucky in the draft bc they won't overpay in free agency and they aren't in the lottery.