Agree if you didn't know that already.. tbh
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I don't know what you mean... I agree. I thought it before too... etc.
Just easier to agree than to restate what has been stated b4..
If that seems "reasonable" to you, you are watching a different Tony than I am, tbh. This is a recipe for mediocrity, if not disaster. Spurs should stick a fork in Tony.
Parker doesn't fit with the bench unit at all. If Parker comes off the bench, he may be playing with Simmons, Anderson, Lee/Bertans, & Gasol.
That's three bad defenders, three low volume 3pt shooters, & one non shooter (Lee; not so much of an issue).
People keep saying the Spurs should let Mills walk but there isn't a viable alternative. Murray playing north of 21 mpg next season is a pretty big step and a big responsibility.
I would try and keep Mills, let Simmons walk, hope Dedmon returns (and takes the 4 year, $36 million MLE, with a player option for the 4th year), hope Manu returns and ,maybe, bring back Lee if possible.
Guards:
Parker, Murray, Mills, Green, Ginobili, 1st rounder, Forbes
Wings:
Leonard, Anderson,
Bigs:
Gasol, Aldridge, Bertans, Dedmon (?) Lee(?), Milutinov (?)
Did I miss something with Rose? Why is he getting mentioned?
Poor shooter, doesn't get to the line and poor defender.
just reasonable based on what I have seen from Pop. I don't think he will just hand Murray the spot. He will make him jump through hoops.
maybe the guys that argue the Pop has developed a massive ego have a point.... based on what I have seen from Pop he will be slow to trust.
Maybe Murray can be so much improved he wows and just leaves Pop no choice, but I expect more gradual development from Murray which will mean youngster mistakes, etc and things that will make Pop be going back and forth with him until finally Murray earns the spot. Kind of what we saw with Dedmon. If you are right instead I have no problem with though. That would mean Murray showed up in training camp and left no doubts in Pop's mind.
I always forget that you did not witness Pop's handling of Tony in his rookie year. That represents a completely different model than the one you describe. Pop just handed Tony the keys when he was every bit as raw as Dijon and chewed him out and coached him up during every stoppage of play. It was rough on Tony, but it worked.
Letting Simmons go and instead drafting or signing a cheaper FA wing who is a shooter is the better option if they move Tony to the bench.
Yes, good point,my perspective on Pop is very recent. You might very well be right in that case.
If this Tony of the past couple of games is the one that shows up in the playoffs Pop will have to do what you say. That is something I have no frame of reference for.
Parker wasn't replacing someone with anyone near his pedigree though and they'd have to go into the off season planning to start Murray from the beginning because the bench would need to be somewhat remade for Parker to fit with it.
If Mills isn't re-signed, I'm not at all opposed to going down this road (a Parker-Mills backup back court isn't feasible), but I also think people are getting carried away with Murray. He's got a long way to go just to be a rotation player, let alone a starter and especially one for a team with championship aspirations. He's also nowhere near some can't miss prospect. He could easily top out as a backup or even a fringe player.
It's also easy for us to say demote or altogether get rid of Parker, but much more difficult in reality given what he's done for the organization and the relationship they have with him.
When Manu was Porker's age he was scoring over 20 per game against Memphis in the playoffs.
haha great
Imo arguments such as this ignore the present reality that Tony is no longer a reliable PG in the NBA. They really boil down to this: the Spurs will/should ignore the present reality and sacrifice the good of the team on the altar of loyalty to an individual. I believe that PATFO owe a greater respect to the organization.
Also, the game was different then... much more reliant on bigs (TD/Shaq in their primes), the 3-peat champs Lakers were starting Derek Fisher... You had some good PGs in the league like Kidd, Nash, AI and Marbury, but now that position is loaded and much more dynamic, tbh...
Yea, but with their shooters , they can move the ball like no one else and create unguardable space. Spurs were at the mercy of their shooters.
Actually, I think Pop probably feels he owes a bigger respect to Kawhi/LMA (just like he did with TD), which is why it would make little sense for him to go out there with a rook in such a loaded position in the NBA.
Unless they're really high on Murray, as somebody up there said, and really think he can fit the bill to the point of convincing the stars, I think they might look elsewhere or just keep starting Tony while giving Murray an extended audition.
Exactly. Completely inspired by the "Beautiful Game."
No, they don't. I said, if Mills isn't re-signed, I'm not at all opposed to Murray starting (again, because Parker-Mills can't work together). I'm just saying, all of this is easier said than done as a fan. Pop never had to move away from Duncan and he more than likely never will with Ginobili. It's going to take a certain amount of finesse to do so with Parker without souring the relationship. Fans might not care about that, but the organization will.
It's also presumptuous to say this is for the "good of the team" since we don't know that starting Murray would make the team better and it's not like there's not another way to get him into the rotation.
My take is: Actually, I think Pop probably feels he owes a bigger respect to Kawhi/LMA (just like he did with TD), which is why it would make little sense for him to go out there with Tony in such a loaded position in the NBA.
You believe the broken down, unreliable, oft-injured veteran represents our best option. I believe the raw, relatively unknown youngster represents our best option. We will just have to disagree and see which way PATFO go next season.
The present reality is that Tony, when not injured, gets a ceremonial start and minutes thereafter as justified by his start. Patty is the go-to guy in crunch time, which is more than evident in Tony's countenance when he is sitting on the bench at those times - times that were once his. He has been relegated to this role much to his chagrin and without finesse. (Surely you haven't forgotten the much-posted gif of Pop running down the sideline yelling at Tony to give the ball to Kawhi...) After this season I am not sure how much Tony would object to being moved OR how much finesse would be necessary to move him. For the first time in many years I think it is not unlikely.
Well, there's the option to go out there and get a seasoned PG too, especially if Patty bolts. I do see that as a more likely option. But we'll see. I'm not particularly against your idea, just feel that you're going to be disappointed with the expectation that Murray will have a larger role (ie: starting).
Sorry man, Spurs still got a ring recently so I don't want to see any Suns comparisons.
If he's putting up O-fers at 34 wtf is he going to be doing at 40? I've had gallons of milk that aged better.
Chinook has posted Spurs salaries against cap projections for next season which are not very positive. I don't remember precisely, but just to bring George Hill back, the Spurs would have to forget about bringing back Patty and Dedmon and Simmons (and probably Lee) iirc. So, bringing in a "seasoned" PG also presents plenty of problems, depending on how much seasoning you want to buy. Imo the Spurs will need to consider bringing in some PG from Europe or an NBA reclamation project if the Spurs are to address other needs like SG and backup SF.
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