He saved their asses in the playoffs last year, a feat that our player failed to do. You're too big of a got to admit that though. You're a cherry picker and every chance I get I'm going to break it off in your ass again. I'm sure we'll have some discussions come June.
Calling me a cherry picker is rich coming from you, fat boy. If we don't cherry pick and use averages Kawhi wins out. Instead you love to cherry pick muh 37 points or some other rare offensive explosion from him. But keep telling yourself you're winning, your fatness.
lol arguing over 2 second tier players
So you want to use career averages or did you want to narrow the window down to a more manageable, cherry picked slot?
Klay 19.0 ppg for career average
Kawhi 16.2 ppg career average
Now, got, tell me how you want to use averages and dance around what I just broke off in your ass as you try to cherry pick the past few months.
This argument again? Klaynus has spent his whole career as a role player getting spoonfed all his points on stacked teams. Even DeAndre Jordan, who has zero offensive game and is totally reliant on lobs from Choke Paul and Blake, gets assisted on far less of his points than Klaynus does. If he had to be the first option on his team like Kawhi is, he'd get exposed and his scoring would plummet.
Blah blah assists, blah blah role player, blah blah eyeball test
It's not the "eye test," it's statistical fact. This year, Klaynus gets assisted on 84% of his made baskets. DeAndre gets assisted on 72% of his makes. And Kawhi gets assisted on less than half of his buckets (48%, to be exact). A while back, I went back and looked, and Klaynus was assisted more often than DeAndre "Zero Offensive Game" Jordan pretty much every season (there might have been one year where DJ was more assisted). You can't be a great scorer if you have to be spoonfed more than DeAndre.
Insisting that Klaynus is a better scorer than Kawhi because 19.0 > 16.2, while ignoring the context of both players' roles on their respective teams and how they get their points, is Skip Bayless-level "analysis." Klaynus is a role player who can't even dribble and who has never had to create for himself. He's an overglorified Danny Green. In contrast, Kawhi has to manufacture his points as the first option on his team. Like it or not, that matters. If Klaynus had Kawhi's responsibilities and the level of attention from defenses that Kawhi gets every night, he wouldn't be averaging 16.2 PPG. He'd be much lower than that.
And who cares about Klaynus making the All-Star Team? Big whoop, the Warriors' bandwagon "fans" vote for him in droves because he's one of the only names they recognize. Jamaal Magloire, Chris Gatling, Wally Szczerbiak, Brad Miller, Kobe Bryant, Roy Hibbert, James Donaldson and Dale Davis have been All-Stars too. Allen Iverson made it as recently as 2010, Yao got in as recently as 2011. It's a meaningless accomplishment. If Klaynus played for a team like the Magic or the Hornets, he would not be making the ASG anyway.
lol fat boy"I know, I'll use career averages knowing fully well that the argument isnt that Kawhi has been the better scorer throughout his career. That'll show him!"
Where's Danny's moment last year in the 2nd round? , where's Kawhi's?
Kawhi 2015-2016 Playoffs PPG 22.3
Klay 2015-2016 Playoffs PPG 24.3 (less than 1ppg fewer than the MVP Steph)
Surely a role player like Klay shouldn't carry his team to the Finals while Kawhi's team was done for the year already because Kawhi didn't make enough non-assisted plays.
These takes by folks like you (
lol fat boy"I'll just claim victory because Kawhi averaged 7 ppg his rookie year and 12 ppg his sop re year!"
^ and you're just defeated... and probably fat and very brown and smell like rancid sal er.
lol fat boy"I'm just going to keep claiming victories!"
Speaking of playoff moments, where's Klaynus' Finals MVP? Kawhi has one. Danny Green would have had one if Porker didn't choke and LeGOAT didn't grab victory from the jaws of defeat. Klaynus has never even come close, despite playing on mega-stacked teams and supposedly being an amazing scorer.
Where's Danny's moment last year in the 2nd round? , where's Kawhi's?
Kawhi 2015-2016 Playoffs PPG 22.3
Klay 2015-2016 Playoffs PPG 24.3 (less than 1ppg fewer than the MVP Steph)
Surely a role player like Klay shouldn't carry his team to the Finals while Kawhi's team was done for the year already because Kawhi didn't make enough non-assisted plays.
These takes by folks like you (
Where's Steph's? "Would have" means nothing. Where's Manu's? , where's David Robinsons?
How is GS "mega-stacked"? Because they have Steph, someone who's never won the Finals MVP? Bogut? Someone who never won the Finals MVP? AI? The guy off the bench who won the Finals MVP?
If Klay is , why is GS untouchable even with Durant sidelined? Why hasn't Kawhi taken 1st seed? Kawhi has Pau Gasol, Aldridge, David Lee, Tony Parker, Manu Ginobili and a Klay Thompson double in Danny Green.
Your problem is that you don't argue thin margins. You pretend one guy is far and away greater and the other is pure . You're bifurcating the issue, and that's always wrong. I've said that Kawhi is a great scorer, and Klay isn't near the player Kawhi is, but Klay is a better scorer.
Funny how the playoffs no longer matter since the conversation progressed from "second-round moments" () to Finals MVPs.
You're also now putting words in my mouth by acting like I said Klay was " ." He's not " ." He's just not capable of shouldering the load as a first option like Kawhi has to do every night. That doesn't mean he isn't a really good role player. But that's all he is. He's not better than Kawhi.
You mean like in the 1st round of the 2016 NBA playoffs when Curry was out 3 games and Klay averaged almost 24 a game to beat the Rockets? That kind of shouldering? Or did you mean the all important regular season? Or perhaps the Finals where a bench player had to save the day? Which route do you want to take in this loss you're about to experience?Funny how the playoffs no longer matter since the conversation progressed from "second-round moments" (
You're also now putting words in my mouth by acting like I said Klay was " ." He's not " ." He's just not capable of shouldering the load as a first option like Kawhi has to do every night. That doesn't mean he isn't a really good role player. But that's all he is. He's not better than Kawhi.
No, I mean still being productive even when being assisted on less than half of your shots all season. That kind of shouldering.
Big whoop, Klaynus got spoonfed into a handful of big scoring nights in the first round against a dysfunctional Rockets team that limped into the playoffs and played zero defense. Where was all that "first-option scoring" from Klay in Game 7 against Cleveland? Oh yeah, nowhere to be found. Relying on a role player who can't create for himself or dribble might work against the 8th-seeded .500 Rockets, but it's not going to work against the real teams.
Give it up, Fat Hands. Kawhi > KlayPERIOD
So Klay carries his team past the 1st round because the opponent was "dysfunctional" (all or nothing). Rockets limped? GS was without it's MVP.
Zero defense (bifurcated again, not bad defense, not questionable defense, not subpar defense... zero defense)
but they lost in the Finals...
Where was Kawhi's output in the 2nd round? Why did Aldridge average more points than him? Why didn't Kawhi pull his team out against the exact same team that Klay rose to the challenge against?
Kawhi is better than Klay. I've said as much many many times. He's just not a better scorer. Try to stay in that lane.
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