Kawhi's offensive game is "antiquated."

[LakerHater]

[hitmanyr2k]

Rockets fans begging his players to start taking more midrange jumpers.

The truth is that in the playoffs, where D's toughen up, the midrange game is a must. Specially for go to guys that have to create for themselves and others. Role players can get away with just hitting threes or taking it to the basket, but number one options need to have all the tools to get his team tough buckets, when needed. And the midrange still is (and will probably always be) the premiere tough bucket getter.

We are lucky to have Kawhi, tbh.

Agreed, because he got smart fast to diversify his game. I wrote this post on another forum 6 years ago regarding players developing low post games when Lebron was fizzling in the 2011 Finals. When it comes to skill set Kawhi is far ahead.

Who cares about age? Lebron has been in the league for 8 freakin seasons. Plenty of players had a low/high post back-to-the-basket game by their 8th season. The Dallas Mavericks are disrespecting Lebron putting Jason Kidd on him at times and he can't even take advantage of the matchup. Put Jason Kidd on Kobe Bryant and he's getting posted up. Put Jason Kidd on Carmelo Anthony and he's getting posted up. In the past? Put Jason Kidd on Michael Jordan, Scottie Pippen, Penny Hardaway, his teammate Nick Anderson, Mitch Richmond, Glen Rice, Steve Smith and he's getting posted up. , even Bonzi Wells comes to mind. He had a nice post game in only his 2nd year in the league.

I've been saying the last 2 years there's no reason for a player of that size with that kind of athleticism and speed not to have a post game. When those driving lanes are cut off and your shot isn't falling it's just another weapon to go to in your arsenal. It's rare that something bad comes out of a good post game. It's a high percentage shot. It's a matchup nightmare when you have a smaller player guarding you. It forces the defense to react and double which opens up passing lanes and shooters. Anything is better than sitting on the perimeter looking like an idiot with a midget guarding you.

The same can be said for Kevin Durant. He has all the length in the world and a great shooting touch. He could kill with even an average post game. Who's going to block a jumphook from him with those long arms? Instead he's either getting denied the ball on the perimeter by good defenders, shooting 30 foot shots at the end of games or forced to watch Westbrook take over down the stretch. It's just re ed. He and Lebron need to wise the f*** up.

[spursistan]

midnightpulp called it in these endless debates with his fanboys and the same is likely gonna play out here....


Kawhi-ISO won't cut it against the elite teams. He doesn't make his teammates better when the ball sticks with him and the offense doesn't have a layer of explosiveness as a result..

[midnightpulp]

midnightpulp called it in these endless debates with his fanboys and the same is likely gonna play out here....


Kawhi-ISO won't cut it against the elite teams. He doesn't make his teammates better when the ball sticks with him and the offense doesn't have a layer of explosiveness as a result..

Isoball=death in today's game, especially when those possessions are midrange centric.

[ZeusWillJudge]

Isoball=death in today's game, especially when those possessions are midrange centric.

Kawhi-ISO won't cut it against the elite teams. He doesn't make his teammates better when the ball sticks with him and the offense doesn't have a layer of explosiveness as a result..

It doesn't work for Harden either, once the playoffs come around.

[testies]

I actually feel bad, the cancerous ISO mid range is being exported by the Spurs franchise to destroy other franchises and make other fans suffer. Pop ball is a cancer.

[Jonnyblue19]

It doesn't work for Harden either, once the playoffs come around.

Exactly, Kiwi has been looking like Harden more and more as the playoffs continue. He keeps over dribbling and only passing if they trap or double team him. That isn't winning basketball but Nurse or Pringles let their star player do whatever they want.

What is odd about Pringles is when he had Nash he would pick and roll you to death, I know he had Amare back then, but he should have told Harden to attack Golden State on the pick and roll, like what the Clippers were doing with Lou Williams and Montrezl Harrell did. Even Chris Fall was destroying the Warriors in the pick and roll and he is slow and decrepit.

[cutewizard]

poor kawhi

not that good

very low bbiq

lol

[cutewizard]

kawhi just bamboozled by ilyasova

[cutewizard]

alvin patrimonio >>>>>>>>>>kawhi

[cutewizard]

FOR BASKETBALL HEART


SAMBOY LIM >>>>>>>>>>>>> kawhi

[cutewizard]

ramon fernandez >>>>>>>>> kawhi

[Mikeanaro]

Nocioni>>>>>>>>>>>> Nephew

[Mikeanaro]

Agreed, because he got smart fast to diversify his game. I wrote this post on another forum 6 years ago regarding players developing low post games when Lebron was fizzling in the 2011 Finals. When it comes to skill set Kawhi is far ahead.

In 2019
Lebron>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Kawhi

[YGWHI]

midnightpulp called it in these endless debates with his fanboys and the same is likely gonna play out here...

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Isoball=death in today's game, especially when those possessions are midrange centric.

Stop acting like Kawhi doen't make his teammates better or his game it's only mid-range j's. He has one of the most versalite offensive games in this league...

It's not his fault his teammates can't hit a single open shot.

If Kawhi would have Bucks 3-p shooters on his team he would average at least 8 asp.

Yeah...only mid-js, right?

He generated the most open shots for teammates in the league...Average +30 ppg in semis and finals of conference...

But @midnight was the guy who said Kawhi wouldn't match Durant or LeBron points in playoffs...He scored the most pts in a series since Jordan's finals.

[r0drig0lac]

midnightpulp called it in these endless debates with his fanboys and the same is likely gonna play out here....


Kawhi-ISO won't cut it against the elite teams. He doesn't make his teammates better when the ball sticks with him and the offense doesn't have a layer of explosiveness as a result..

the biggest problem in this game was that no Toronto player (except # 2) could hit an open shot, # 2 was doubled and passed to the player open on practically every play, which resulted in a brick, the brutal difference in that confrontation is the support roster of the stars, not the game style

[midnightpulp]

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Stop acting like Kawhi doen't make his teammates better or his game it's only mid-range j's. He has one of the most versalite offensive games in this league...

It's not his fault his teammates can't hit a single open shot.

If Kawhi would have Bucks 3-p shooters on his team he would average at least 8 asp.

Yeah...only mid-js, right?

He generated the most open shots for teammates in the league...Average +30 ppg in semis and finals of conference...

But @midnight was the guy who said Kawhi wouldn't match Durant or LeBron points in playoffs...He scored the most pts in a series since Jordan's finals.

36% on open 3s is a good percentage. Don't know why this idiot tweeter thinks it's "not so good." Sure, you'd probably like it to be more around 40 percent, but shooting percentages typically go down in the post-season. Second point. Kawhi takes 21 percent of his attempts from the 10-16 foot range and 10 percent of his attempts from the 16-22 foot range. Contrast this to Giannis who takes 7 percent of his attempts from the 10-16 foot range and 2.3 percent of his attempts from the 16-22 foot range. Kawhi is still taking too many midrange jumpshots. Right now, he's shooting 63 percent from 16-22 feet. Not sustainable. Durant is another midrange centric player and we've seen how Golden State's offense has opened up somewhat with him out of the line-up.

Everyone sees how Kawhi's primary offensive style affects the offense, from Lowe, et al. But no, it's never Kawhi's fault. Not when he gets outplayed by Matt Barnes, when he disappears against the Thunder, or when he goes 10-26 in a close game. It's the fault of his teammates. I've said earlier in this thread that even though Kawhi is still a championship centerpiece, he's more difficult to build around than other superstars and will likely need a Curry level PG as a running mate (much like Durant). Kyle Lowry is no longer the player he was a couple years ago.

[RC_Drunkford]

Everyone sees how Kawhi's primary offensive style affects the offense, from Lowe, et al. But no, it's never Kawhi's fault. Not when he gets outplayed by Matt Barnes, when he disappears against the Thunder, or when he goes 10-26 in a close game. It's the fault of his teammates. I've said earlier in this thread that even though Kawhi is still a championship centerpiece, he's more difficult to build around than other superstars and will likely need a Curry level PG as a running mate (much like Durant). Kyle Lowry is no longer the player he was a couple years ago.

from what I heard Danny Green said on his last podcast that it's hard for everybody else to get into a rhythm cause of Kawhi isos

[YGWHI]

Not when he gets outplayed by Matt Barnes, when he disappears against the Thunder, or when he goes 10-26 in a close game. It's the fault of his teammates.

I can't remember a single player that played great every single game in a whole playoffs.

Kawhi had at least 4 good to great games in those series vs Clips/OKC...But it was true that he didn't get help from others when he didn't hit shots.

Giannis didn't play that good in game 1 but his teammates won the game. Kawhi was 10-26? Lebron was 9-24 in the 2016 Finals but had Irving making the last shot and Love in a good defensive play vs Curry in last seconds...After 2014 Kawhi didn't have that help anymore.

[Hoops Czar]

from what I heard Danny Green said on his last podcast that it's hard for everybody else to get into a rhythm cause of Kawhi isos

What was everybody's excuse before Kawhi got there?

[duncan2k5]

This idiot really said Giannis has a more favorable offensive game than Kawhi because he doesn't take jumpers........ BECAUSE HE CAN'T!!!!!! it's funny how perspectives change... When we had Kawhi, we used to bash ppl saying Giannis is better by mentioning how he can't shoot... Now ppl view that as the reason he is better... Lmfao

[spurraider21]

36% on open 3s is a good percentage. Don't know why this idiot tweeter thinks it's "not so good." Sure, you'd probably like it to be more around 40 percent, but shooting percentages typically go down in the post-season. Second point. Kawhi takes 21 percent of his attempts from the 10-16 foot range and 10 percent of his attempts from the 16-22 foot range. Contrast this to Giannis who takes 7 percent of his attempts from the 10-16 foot range and 2.3 percent of his attempts from the 16-22 foot range. Kawhi is still taking too many midrange jumpshots. Right now, he's shooting 63 percent from 16-22 feet. Not sustainable. Durant is another midrange centric player and we've seen how Golden State's offense has opened up somewhat with him out of the line-up.

Everyone sees how Kawhi's primary offensive style affects the offense, from Lowe, et al. But no, it's never Kawhi's fault. Not when he gets outplayed by Matt Barnes, when he disappears against the Thunder, or when he goes 10-26 in a close game. It's the fault of his teammates. I've said earlier in this thread that even though Kawhi is still a championship centerpiece, he's more difficult to build around than other superstars and will likely need a Curry level PG as a running mate (much like Durant). Kyle Lowry is no longer the player he was a couple years ago.

36% on total 3's is fine. i dno the numbers, but you're presumably looking for better numbers on "open" 3's

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Isoball=death in today's game, especially when those possessions are midrange centric.

But he’ll put up great numbers. I did find it interesting that Toronto’s offense looked a lot more fluid in the games he sat out in the regular season. I think what the Bucks are exposing, however, is that the rest of the Toronto team is not that good offensively, at least not the way they’re run. I can’t figure out if Nurse is a coach with limited skills or if he’s a bit hand-tied having to coach to please Kawhi.

[Nathan89]

Toronto's offense tanks far more when he's off the court than any players impact on their team in the playoffs.

[therealtruth]

The one flaw in his game is he's got to learn how to make the other players better. He can get his any time he wants but you have to let others touch the ball and get a rhythm from the field.