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    He managed to play the entire last round. Short memory?

    Re: Murray, he was in a similar spot this year to where CoJo was his rookie season in terms of age coming into the league. Has more maturing and physical growth needed so he's not the skinniest player outside of Brandon Ingram, but not sure you could have expected someone at his position at his age in this system to do more in year 1.
    What is also funny is that using this line of logic should then cast some doubt on Murray as well. Many people were concerned with his frame and the ability to stay healthy. He already suffered an injury in his first year. Sure, it was not a broken bone or ligament, but the point remains.

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    You make it rookie tony Parker play against pat Beverly after not playing him basically the entire season and post season...Then play him for ten minutes...Afterwards compare that to a vet point guard with the greenlight to shoot that plays 25-30 minutes, then compare the stats...Ridiculous!

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    Ya, I don't know what this guy is talking about but he clearly doesn't watch games. He didn't even know Murray got injured FOR WEEKS.

    He's acting like people are saying Murray can't literally dribble the ball up the floor with no one around him. That is not what people have said. We've said his handle is very loose and against pressure, like Mills, his lack of true NBA starting level handle is exposed more.

    Can it change? Of course. Will it change? Hopefully. Mills still struggles with it and he's been in the NBA a long, long, time.
    U are comparing the handles of patty mills to Murray? Maybe u guys haven't been watching Murray before he was on the sours, but dude has handle! He just hasn't had enough time vs NBA players...Even parker has dribbled his way into turnovers before...What are u talking about?? Murray was going against pat Bev...And he handled it way better in game 4 after he got a taste...Parker has been in the league of years and still manages to dribble into turnovers...U are holding our rookie to an impossible standard

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    Is your name rePete?

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    Since Murray has more potential than Parker I'm looking forward to him averaging 15.5 ppg on .464 shooting the way Parker did in year two.
    Why? Parker was the starter his entire rookie year...How can you compare that to murray? Murray's first full year as a full starter WILL be better than Tony's first full year as a starter...Bank on thag

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    I have no problem giving Murray a break. He has some good tools to work with and has a good chance of being a steal. That said some people don't seem to realize Parker was a ridiculously high steal that probability-wise it's unlikely Murray will match.
    We would have NEVER known Parker was a steal if we didnt give him the chance...

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    I see plenty of potential in Murray. Rather develop him then sign cp3

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    U are comparing the handles of patty mills to Murray? Maybe u guys haven't been watching Murray before he was on the sours, but dude has handle! He just hasn't had enough time vs NBA players...Even parker has dribbled his way into turnovers before...What are u talking about?? Murray was going against pat Bev...And he handled it way better in game 4 after he got a taste...Parker has been in the league of years and still manages to dribble into turnovers...U are holding our rookie to an impossible standard
    acting like Murray's handle is anywhere near TP's

    You wanted the rookie to start over TP but are crying when people then hold him to that expectation? Makes no damn sense.

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    And of course i i Murray was injired...You chose to ignore the point i was making in that post...He was healthy before the playoffs started...All those minutes went to our 3th string pg...That is mismanagement because now we are in a position where we WISH he was given more experience in the regular season...Pop barely played him before AND after the injury...Stop pretending as if he was a regular part of the rotation...The only reason Pop didn't play him regular minutes was to put Jim in his place...He is a young, black american kid who has some sauce to his game...If Murray did half the stuff many did as a rookie in terms of turnovers, he would never see the court... but he was never given the same chance that international players are given under Pop despite their shortcomings...I guarantee if we need a defensive stop, Pop will play Pau over Dedmon

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    acting like Murray's handle is anywhere near TP's

    You wanted the rookie to start over TP but are crying when people then hold him to that expectation? Makes no damn sense.
    U aren't making the same expectation tho! U are comparing tony parker after a FULL year of starting to Murray...How is that the same expectation? And rookie Murray does have better handles than rookie Parker... BTW there is a difference between ball control and handles...Murray can do more with the ball now than than ever could...But with more experience, his ball control will improve... we seem to forget tony couldn't be trusted in big games early in his career...He was benched for speedy Claxton in the finals...Stop pretending as if tony was legendary when he was young...We were considering getting an old Jason Kidd... ppl wanted George hill to start...Tony is vastly overrated on here

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    He managed to play the entire last round. Short memory?

    Re: Murray, he was in a similar spot this year to where CoJo was his rookie season in terms of age coming into the league. Has more maturing and physical growth needed so he's not the skinniest player outside of Brandon Ingram, but not sure you could have expected someone at his position at his age in this system to do more in year 1.
    TP was showing signs of injury already. Constantly going to the locker rooms during games. Are you a ing moron?

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    acting like Murray's handle is anywhere near TP's

    You wanted the rookie to start over TP but are crying when people then hold him to that expectation? Makes no damn sense.
    U aren't making the same expectation tho! U are comparing tony parker after a FULL year of starting to Murray...How is that the same expectation? And rookie Murray does have better handles than rookie Parker... BTW there is a difference between ball control and handles...Murray can do more with the ball now than than ever could...But with more experience, his ball control will improve... we seem to forget tony couldn't be trusted in big games early in his career...He was benched for speedy Claxton in the finals...Stop pretending as if tony was legendary when he was young...We were considering getting an old Jason Kidd... ppl wanted George hill to start...Tony is vastly overrated on here

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    I can't wait to say "I told you so" when Murray becomes an all star

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    I can't wait to say "I told you so" when Murray becomes an all star
    I can't wait until he becomes an all star 6 times and all NBA 4 times so you can tell us you told us so.

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    I can't wait until he becomes an all star 6 times and all NBA 4 times so you can tell us you told us so.
    hope that happens.

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    I can't wait until he becomes an all star 6 times and all NBA 4 times so you can tell us you told us so.
    Me neither...

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    You make it rookie tony Parker play against pat Beverly after not playing him basically the entire season and post season...Then play him for ten minutes...Afterwards compare that to a vet point guard with the greenlight to shoot that plays 25-30 minutes, then compare the stats...Ridiculous!
    So then your reasoning is that any rookie is as good as Tony Parker or that any rookie will become as good as Tony Parker, so then all rookies should get the chance to start.

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    No your slot is safe.
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    Murray has to get a lot stronger and develop a reliable outside shot before he's going to come close to tickling 20 ppg. He's got a whole lot of work to this summer and a few more to come.
    I've liked his shooting stroke so far, he looks to be a better shooter than I expected of him already. Spurs seem to keep getting their hands on wings with shaky shooting (Anderson, Simmons) hopefully he can be a average to above average 3pt shooter to compliment his driving game.

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    I have no problem giving Murray a break. He has some good tools to work with and has a good chance of being a steal. That said some people don't seem to realize Parker was a ridiculously high steal that probability-wise it's unlikely Murray will match.
    Exactly...odds Murray sweeps a top-5 player and wins FMVP while doing it? Pretty low tbh.

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    You make it rookie tony Parker play against pat Beverly after not playing him basically the entire season and post season...Then play him for ten minutes...Afterwards compare that to a vet point guard with the greenlight to shoot that plays 25-30 minutes, then compare the stats...Ridiculous!
    Rookie Parker could put up 4/2 on 28% blindfolded.

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    I can't wait until he becomes an all star 6 times and all NBA 4 times so you can tell us you told us so.
    And then FMVP

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    Rookie Parker could put up 4/2 on 28% blindfolded.
    No he couldn't... not if he barely played in the regular season, then suddenly got 10 minutes a game with one of the games being on the road vs the best pg defender in the league...I think we are overrating TP...W forgot how bad he fell off the map in the Lakers series in 04...He was 5 years in at that point...He has been very hit or miss...Now imagine a rookie version of that who hasn't played in the regular season, then only giving him 10 minutes a game for 2 playoff Gamez...His numbers would be worse...For goodness sakes he had a postseason game THIS YEAR where he scored 0 points!

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