"Game 6 proved Leonard wasn't really an MVP candidate"

[dabom]

There was not one consistent player besides maybe Patty in the RS. Prove me wrong got, Chinook

[dabom]

The only time when "consistent" and " " mean the same thing is when talking about your takes, son.

No one thinks you're a respectable poster dude. I'm being serious.

[Chinook]

No one thinks you're a respectable poster dude. I'm being serious.

So says a guy who's constantly shat on in two forums (that I know of).

[DPG21920]

Chinook is literally infinity times the poster that Dabom is. There are not enough multipliers to describe the vast gulf.

[apalisoc_9]

The jump from a "just okay" playoff team to a contender is huge, especially in this current NBA climate. It's much bigger than the jump from comfortable lottery team to first-round playoff fodder like what Russ did. The narrative around Westbrook has caused fans of multiple teams to try to disparage their roster in order to gain the edge. Obviously, the Cavs outside Lebron aren't , though they need him to get anywhere. The Celtics outside Thomas aren't particularly worse. Harden has legit NBA players next to him, though they shrivel up just like he does.

I've said all year that Kawhi's the MVP because he's taken a Spurs team that would be slightly above mediocre and somehow put them in the conversation with super-stacked teams like GS and Cleveland. That's an almost unspeakably high level of value. It doesn't need to be cut by acting like the other 14 guys are terrible.

To add to this Point, Didn't Durant win his single MVP in a year where Westbrook missed significant time?

Didn't the Warriors have the the most Dominant 15 game stretch of the year without Durant..majority of those were againt good teams too and I am supposed to be ashamed and embarrased for Putting Curry over Westbrook or harden. Warriors proably still a 55+ win team without him.

But I see your point and it truly is toxic. Essentially the award becomes an award of opportunity. The Guy who can take advantage of a weak bottom half and improve a 35+ win team to something like 47 wins will ultimaltey be the leading candidate.

I still can't understand how Lebron wasn't even close to Harden and Curry in 2015 though.

[dabom]

So says a guy who's constantly shat on in two forums (that I know of).

Go make a poll.

[ElNono]

This kinda of weak sauce was bound to happen, tbh... even Van Gundy pointed out last night how some idiot media was going to bring this up today...

[Chinook]

To add to this Point, Didn't Durant win his single MVP in a year where Westbrook missed significant time?

Didn't the Warriors have the the most Dominant 15 game stretch of the year without Durant..majority of those were againt good teams too and I am supposed to be ashamed and embarrased for Putting Curry over Westbrook or harden. Warriors proably still a 55+ win team without him.

But I see your point and it truly is toxic. Essentially the award becomes an award of opportunity. The Guy who can take advantage of a weak bottom half and improve a 35+ win team to something like 47 wins will ultimaltey be the leading candidate.

I still can't understand how Lebron wasn't even close to Harden and Curry in 2015 though.

I just hopes it goes back to normal after this year. People kept hating on the MVP going to the best player on one of the best teams, but we can see full well now why they did that. Because it's just sorry watching a guy like Russ torpedo his roster and get rewarded for it.

[Chinook]

Go make a poll.

You're surprisingly not pinked yet. So you can do it.

[dabom]

This kinda of weak sauce was bound to happen, tbh... even Van Gundy pointed out last night how some idiot media was going to bring this up today...

I know right. This is typical garbage fan take, and they eat this up.

[dabom]

You're surprisingly not pinked yet. So you can do it.

I would never be pinked.

[Horse]

this guy! Like somebody else here said if you stick out in pops system your extra special cause it's not star-friendly. Now I will say we could use some more ball movement and Kawhi can take over when needed, which will save him some energy. As far as lebon he's still in the east and kyrie is the one taking and making the big shots and he's pretty ing good.

[DPG21920]

I would never be pinked.

I will take that bet

[apalisoc_9]

I just hopes it goes back to normal after this year. People kept hating on the MVP going to the best player on one of the best teams, but we can see full well now why they did that. Because it's just sorry watching a guy like Russ torpedo his roster and get rewarded for it.

Well, here's the problem..The Warriors are going to win 65+ again. Even if the lose in the playoffs, they'ee going to put up numbers significantly better than everyone else. I fully support penalizing Durant. Curry shouldnt though.

Agree. If things normalize next year Kawhi would probably be favourite, but its unlikely. Hopefully everyone has had their triple double fix this year and everything returns to normal.

[.G.]

NBA needs better writers. Harden is all about individual accolades. No wonder.

Let TP exit with grace. "Ruptured" yeah.... he just jumpedlike he's done so 5milliontimes before.

Murrays time.

[FkLA]

Funny how you don't say this with regards to TP. Spurs win game 3 without TP (even though he was huge in game 2) and everyone screams "see how much better they are without TP!! Told you his injury would not matter".

1. I gave HOTS his due all postseason long. Unexpected but very welcome last stand on his part. Never said anything about the Spurs being better without him after his injury.

2. You're comparing a guy who is unanimously considered a Top 3 player in the world to a fringe starter (when he plays like he did in the RS). Their contributions to the teams success according to advanced metrics also aren't comparable. So yeah, the former obviously deserves more support when it comes to stupid articles like these or opinions like Chinook's.

[DAF86]

It doesn't take much to beat this Houston team when Harden plays as crappy as he did. An all D-league team could have probably beat them last night, tbh.

[FkLA]

I gave the writer's thesis and said why I disagreed with it. The idea that you have to think the Spurs outside Kawhi suck in order to pump Leonard up is toxic, honestly. You can be the MVP AND have a good/great supporting cast at the same time. That was pretty much my entire point. This Harden/Westbrook debate has ruined any credibility the award had because you can't overlook team success when talking about player value.

We're talking over the course of a season or even postseason, not one game. Yeah, he doesn't play with D-League talent but who brings it every night like he does? In that respect he has been a one-man team to some extent. Every single guy on the team other than Kawhi has played a lot more bad basketball than they've played good. It's great to see guys like LMA and Juice step up like they did yesterday but to suggest that they can do that (or even close to that) over the long haul and Kawhi is just holding them back is re ed. Same with TP's postseason resurgence.

Speaking of re ed, this notion that Pop gave up the beautiful game just to cater to Kawhi and LMA is just that. That has more to do with guys like Timmy, TP and Manu aging, and guys like Diaw and Splitter regressing/getting injured and ultimately being shipped. I don't think ditching the beautiful game was a choice or that it's dormant just because of Kawhi.

[dabom]

We're talking over the course of a season or even postseason, not one game. Yeah, he doesn't play with D-League talent but who brings it every night like he does? In that respect he has been a one-man team to some extent. Every single guy on the team other than Kawhi has played a lot more bad basketball than they've played good. It's great to see guys like LMA and Juice step up like they did yesterday but to suggest that they can do that (or even close to that) over the long haul and Kawhi is just holding them back is re ed. Same with TP's postseason resurgence.

Speaking of re ed, this notion that Pop gave up the beautiful game just to cater to Kawhi and LMA is just that. That has more to do with guys like Timmy, TP and Manu aging, and guys like Diaw and Splitter regressing/getting injured and ultimately being shipped. I don't think ditching the beautiful game was a choice or that it's dormant just because of Kawhi.

I don't know why people keep that shtick. They are old and cant drive and kick out. The beautiful game is gone because those guys are old now. We just have one player that can playmake now, and people somehow expect him to score defend rebound steal and block everything on top of playmaking.

[dabom]

Green is compared to Kawhi. FACT!

[313]

Not sure how LeBron is the MVP when he coasted through the regular season. He was even the favorite to win MVP coming into the season but lost it because he was obviously just waiting for the playoffs. His numbers weren't the best, neither was his team success.

Between Westbrook's ridiculous stat padding and his team only making the sixth seed, I don't know how you give it to him either. He was expected to make the playoffs by most "analysts", and he did.

Kawhi was the best MVP candidate on both sides of the floor, but I think Harden should get it due to basically being chocked as a 9-10th seed before the season and comfortably finishing with the third best record in the league, along with monster stats.

edit: wrong thread but whatever

[Hoops Czar]

Did it prove Pop is coach of the year worthy?

Apparently, it proved he was the greatest of all time.

[Chinook]

We're talking over the course of a season or even postseason, not one game. Yeah, he doesn't play with D-League talent but who brings it every night like he does? In that respect he has been a one-man team to some extent. Every single guy on the team other than Kawhi has played a lot more bad basketball than they've played good. It's great to see guys like LMA and Juice step up like they did yesterday but to suggest that they can do that (or even close to that) over the long haul and Kawhi is just holding them back is re ed. Same with TP's postseason resurgence.

Speaking of re ed, this notion that Pop gave up the beautiful game just to cater to Kawhi and LMA is just that. That has more to do with guys like Timmy, TP and Manu aging, and guys like Diaw and Splitter regressing/getting injured and ultimately being shipped. I don't think ditching the beautiful game was a choice or that it's dormant just because of Kawhi.

Except no one said that. This isn't Kawhi or the team. It's Kawhi AND the team. There was a sect of people who constantly made it an antagonistic thing. Kawhi's the MVP with Lebron as his only real compe ion. He did plenty of carrying. But he could miss a game and change due to an injury and his guys could close out a semis round for him. Terrible teams don't do that, no matter what excuses some people want to give.

And, no, people were " this team"ing throughout these last couple of rounds.

[dabom]

Isn't chinook all about impact stats. Well the teams impact stats are garbage. Spin that got.

Using impact stats to tell me dedman was the better defender.

[UZER]

Media can suck a on this now.

They don't need Kawhi