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    Never happen. Spurs are too loyal (to a fault, at times). Parker will never not be a Spur. Honestly wouldn't be surprised if they re-signed him in again in 2018 to be Murray's backup, tbh (at a much cheaper price, of course, and depending on how he recovers from his injury).
    Spurs did trade Bowen, although he retired after the trade.

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    I thought Derrick Rose was a locker room Cancer? Doesn't sound like a player the Spurs would go after.

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    Highly doubt we land CP3.
    Don't really want Lowry who is a proven playoff choker.
    No to D-Rose.
    Holiday/Teague would be nice but they're probably gonna be overpaid.
    Would be okay with Hill coming back on a discounted price.

    Other than that, the midrange and minimum options all suck. Trade-wise, I'm on the Ish Smith train. I think he would be adequate as a starter while we wait for Dejounte to get take over. It's clear we can't rely on Patty.

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    Pray this isn't the case. No Mills No.
    My preference is to take a stab at Paul and when that inevitably fails (for all the obvious reasons that have been discussed ad nauseam), then turn to Hill, who they should have been working on through the back channels since he was acquired by the Jazz. In terms of significant moves needed, they'd really only need to salary dump Gasol and walk away from Mills, who wouldn't be needed at that point anyway.

    Hill would be a perfect bridge starter between Parker and Murray, can play with either on both sides of the ball and eventually transition into a 6th man. Also, unlike Gasol and Mills, he isn't virtually unplayable against the majority of the best teams.

    That's also the only scenario I see where Mills isn't retained. Barring that, they can't afford to not take advantage of his Bird rights, burn the MLE on a comparable and be stuck with only the bi-annual exception to add a quality big or wing.

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    I'd prefer Jrue over Hill but I can see them entertaining all three. I think if they whiff on those three, then they'll turn their attention to 1 year stop gaps instead of paying Mills. At least I hope so.

    Giving Mills a 3-4 year deal for anything more than 10 mil would be a waste. in my opinion. I'm not a fan of paying 10+ mil per for a player that disappears against good Ds on offense, especially when you have to hide him on defense. 40 mill minimum for a net negative player when it matters? Pass. Pass. Pass. Pass.

    Do not want Mills.

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    Well yeah, I would too. Holiday's like a bigger Hill, with better play making ability; but he also projects to be significantly more expensive and difficult to attain.

    I've always thought that Hill loved being a Spur as much as they loved him being one and deep down would want to return at some point. He also either lives here or at least spends some time here in the off season . . . of course, if the Jazz blow away whatever the Spurs could/would theoretically offer if they salary dumped Gasol, then none of that probably matters. But if they get close, I think they'd have a legit shot.

    Mills is obviously more likely, but I'd be shocked if one of the two weren't a Spur next season and they paired a fringe rotation type, like Mack, with Murray.

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    Well yeah, I would too. Holiday's like a bigger Hill, with better play making ability; but he also projects to be significantly more expensive and difficult to attain.

    I've always thought that Hill loved being a Spur as much as they loved him being one and deep down would want to return at some point. He also either lives here or at least spends some time here in the off season . . . of course, if the Jazz blow away whatever the Spurs could/would theoretically offer if they salary dumped Gasol, then none of that probably matters. But if they got close, I think they'd have a legit shot.

    Mills is obviously more likely, but I'd be shocked if one of the two weren't a Spur next season and they paired a fringe rotation type, like Mack, with Murray.
    It would be pretty hilarious though if Hill signed with SA for 10 mil per, especially when Spurs would face the Pacers -- having Kawhi, Bertans and Hill all on the floor winning by 20+.

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    Never happen. Spurs are too loyal (to a fault, at times). Parker will never not be a Spur. Honestly wouldn't be surprised if they re-signed him in again in 2018 to be Murray's backup, tbh (at a much cheaper price, of course, and depending on how he recovers from his injury).
    No, he's done. Basketball players who rely on quickness and explosiveness don't come back from this sort of injury. I can't think of anyone who ever has. It sent Barkley in to retirement. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv...9/barkley9.htm

    Plus, Parker didn't look right the whole season. He had some nice games in the playoffs but those were the exceptions. The regular season told you all you needed to know. Too slow, couldn't get by defenders, couldn't defend anyone either. The Spurs don't need that. At best, he stays until this contract runs out. They traded Malik, told Horry to take a hike, didn't re-sign bonner, traded Brent Barry....they do it. TP is royalty by association only. The team would be insane to re-up him.

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    They also let Avery sign with another team. And nearly ran Robinson on to the Knicks desperately trying to get Webber to pick up the phone.

    And allegedly tried to trade Parker for the pick that became Valenciunas.

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    The Patty Mills starter experiment is over.
    Agreed

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    I would sign Calderon, start him and have him split the time with Murray. Calderon would be the distributor the starters need. He is a shooting threat mid range and from deep. And is probably the best pick n roll guy for Aldridge. What the Spurs need is a PG that can do 3 things - distribute/shoot/defend. You get the first two with Calderon and the last with Murray. It would be STRONGLY ADVISED​ to resign Dedmon to protect the rim since Calderon is BAD defensively.

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    One guy completely overlooked, is one who scored 19 pts in a win over the Spurs, late in the season. Tyler Ennis has bounced a round a lot since being drafted 18th overall in a crowded phoenix suns backcourt. Against the spurs, He finished with six assists and only one turnover while shooting 3 for 4 on 3-pointers. He looked poised, is more of a pure point guard, has decent size at 6'3, with a 6'7 wingspan. He has youth on his side at only 22 yrs old, so plenty of upside. He would not break the bank and its good compe ion for Djounte Murray, and even allow Murray to play off the ball. At the very least a high upside 3 string point guard.

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    Are there any decent European PGs who haven't already been in the NBA?

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    What about Andrew Goudelock? Is he washed up or salvageable?

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    I will get every position done over time.
    These are good threads. Keep it up OP!

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    That's also the only scenario I see where Mills isn't retained. Barring that, they can't afford to not take advantage of his Bird rights, burn the MLE on a comparable and be stuck with only the bi-annual exception to add a quality big or wing.
    I'm amending this. I could see Mills being offered a partially guaranteed 4th year, to lower the cap hit and his average annual value, but get his total closer to the best offer he gets. If that doesn't get it done, I think Teodosic or Williams is offered the MLE.

    That would only leave the BAE and minimum for a Dedmon replacement and I think they'd go to Lee and Splitter. Or, if Simmons isn't re-signed, they could utilize the BAE on a wing. It's unlikely they'd go that cheap up front though, especially if they sign one of the aforementioned point guards, who can eat some wing minutes.

    In addition to that, being able to play with Parker and Murray, on both sides of the ball, is important because Parker more than likely isn't going anywhere for at least a season and a half roughly and Murray obviously figures to be a mainstay. Also important, is being good enough to start in the interim and help maintain their current level, but not being good enough to be above transitioning into 6th man.

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    I don't see any "slam dunk" choices because of cap and salary ranges. Pop recently talked about the maturation of our young guys and how he might keep this team together. I can't see it without Parker because Murray doesn't look ready to me.

    I wouldn;'t mind getting Hill back if it could be worked out without too much cutting into what is a decent, if not championship, team. Buford and Pop will earn their money this offseason for sure.

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    Are there any decent European PGs who haven't already been in the NBA?
    The most notable would be Sergio Llull, Facundo Campazzo and Milos Teodosic.

    The one that seems to provide the skill set we need is Sergio Llull, Campazzo is the one with the most upside and Teodosic is the most featured European guy to come over.

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    One guy completely overlooked, is one who scored 19 pts in a win over the Spurs, late in the season. Tyler Ennis has bounced a round a lot since being drafted 18th overall in a crowded phoenix suns backcourt. Against the spurs, He finished with six assists and only one turnover while shooting 3 for 4 on 3-pointers. He looked poised, is more of a pure point guard, has decent size at 6'3, with a 6'7 wingspan. He has youth on his side at only 22 yrs old, so plenty of upside. He would not break the bank and its good compe ion for Djounte Murray, and even allow Murray to play off the ball. At the very least a high upside 3 string point guard.
    I like this idea much better than making a run at a high-priced PG who is 10 years older than Ennis. He looks exactly like the kind of reclamation project that is the Spurs' bread-and-butter. Plus, he is a Canuck to replace a former Spur that is missed by some posters on ST. I think he is a UFA, too.

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