There was a very specific tweet that he's only joining the team if Ginobili is retiring... which led me to question why Ginobili so specifically? Why not Simmons? So I thought its almost guaranteed that Spurs are paying whatever it takes to keep Simmons (gulp) and the only open spot that he could compete for is Ginobili's. That was my thinking about it...
I'd much rather overpay Simmons than Mills. Mills does one thing better on the court than Simmons (and yes, a lot better) but can't get his shot off against big teams like Golden State. Defense isn't even close. Loved him for his run here, but let someone else overpay. Simmons is also a year younger for what it's worth.
Yes I agree between the two I would rather keep Simmons... maybe Pop coincides with that. I am unsure if they will pay whatever to keep him but he might be their priority in FA if they miss on the big fishes out there.
If he takes Fathead's spot in the rotation, why not?
Let me ask you what is Kyle's spot in the rotation?
Hanga is not joining the team to be 11-13th in the rotation... that's what that tweet was about.
Automatic starter when Green or Kawhi are out, bench/rotation player when squad is at 100%
Hanga isn't joining the team just for that.
I took it to mean he's not joining the Spurs to be the 5th wing. Joining to compete with just Kyle for the 5th wing spot doesn't interest him.
Last edited by SAGirl; 05-31-2017 at 11:21 PM.
Umm... teams that want to win championships. Cleveland had one of the top 2 players in the league, and they were never a realistic le threat. LeBron went to a team that could put two other stars on the floor, along with a good supporting cast, to finally ring. Then he came back to Cleveland when they had Kyrie Irving, and were in a position to sign players like Kevin Love and J.R. Smith.
One Top-3 player isn't going to cut it. The Spurs need to shore up some holes, and they don't have cap space to go buy proven FA's for all of them. If they can pick up one of the missing pieces, great. But they can't afford to fill all the holes this season, and there's no guarantee that they can get the right pieces the next year, even with cap room.
I'll say it again: this is a very important draft
Of course it interests him. He's a player who hadn't even been considered NBA worthy until a year ago. He'll take anything, he'll sign a Bertans-like deal with the hope he can play 15 mins per game in year 2 and make some cash.
Simmons for $12.9 million per year is fine, especially with Green and Leonard on cheap contracts. Having 3 above average defensive wings who can all do something on offense is a raririty. Hanga as a 4th wing could be a great addition if his defense translates but I certainly wouldn't let Simmons walk just to save money by not matching a reasonable contract. We can have both, versatile wings are extremely valuable, Spurs are going to need that versatility if they hope to build a team that could beat the Warriors down the road.
I think when it comes to Simmons It'll come down to how many years are on the deal..
Simmons is such a risk/reward play this offseason. If he could play the way he did in the playoffs, he could be the SG version of Stephen Jackson. On the other hand, he could get a fat contract and become the SG version of Jackie Butler.
He was just about tied with Patty for third most total points in the playoffs, even though he played 306 minutes compared to 416 for Patty. And the most amazing thing was that Simmons' TOV% in the playoffs was the lowest on the team. Out of the 29 other teams out there, at least one or two is likely to take a chance that he can keep that up night in and night out, and offer him a deal that totals $36M-$40M. And if he keeps playing like that, he'll be a good value. PATFO should know more about him than anyone. If they believe he can keep it up, they'd be stupid to let him get away. If they don't, they'd be stupid to chase him.
One more thing - Simmons shot the 3 like during the RS (.294). In the playoffs he shot .351. There's no way of guessing what that's about. But shooting .351 from 3P through the RS, in addition to his athleticism and defense, would increase his value a lot. What he needs to be doing is working with Chip every day this summer.
I posted this earlier:
Year 1-$8.4
Year 2-$8.4
Year 3-$17.2
Year 4 -$17.5
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$51.5 Million
$12.875 Per year.
$7 million with Mills cap hold
$13.75 Million in cap without Mills cap hold
I think teams would a 4th year to drive up the price. I would prefer 3 years but he'll only be 31 by the time the forth season ends.
Not only did his 3pt % jump 6% but he was taking and making above the break 3's vs Houston and knocking down pullup jumpers off the dribble when teams sagged off him, in addition to getting to the rim.
His game 5 defense on Harden was fantastic and a big reason why we won that game (I believe that he forced 5 turnovers including 2 in overtime against Harden)
I would expect him to be back, though the spurs would have to offload Gasol to do so. Spurs could have 5 above average wings defenders (I forgot to mention Anderson earlier, though I hope he transitions to starting at PF) that is a really impressive thing to accomplish. Versatile wings that can defend and do something on offense are expensive because they are increasingly valuable. Spurs may be able to keep all 5 going forward (Leonard: Super max contract, Green resigning after next season, Anderson: RFA, Simmons: Arenas RFA, Hanga: multi-year deal+ RFA.
Yeah, and it was a good post. If the third and fourth year didn't have to be fully guaranteed, it's the right idea. It would still be steep, but it's the right idea. By this time next year, they would know if he was a value play, or a bust. For sure by the end of Year 2. If he doesn't produce, he's still got $17M for the first two years. I don't think it's going to go that way, though.
I used to have at least a rough idea of what a guy was going to be worth. This new cap just makes it a crap shoot - and Simmons is especially tough. The ones who guess right will all say, "I knew it all along." The others will forget they ever said anything.
No he's in demand in Europe and could get a contract for higher than the minimum. It's not a need he has money wise for a typical minimum contract. He's more similar to Boban than Bertans in the fact that he's old and may do one season with a player option for the second with the intention of opting out if he has a good season. He's going to be 29 or 30 by the time of his second deal (depending on if he signs a 1 or 2 years contract).
His chances of getting paid at the end of that one year are reduced if he never makes the regular rotation and all he can do is compete with Anderson for the 5th or 6th wing spot while going to the dleague or being in a suit at times bc Anderson is still going to play through the season and Hanga is the rook (being essentially de colo).
So no. He's just too old for that. He's not joining the Spurs to be DeColo. He is only joining if there's a real path to playing time. (Like there would be if Manu retires). At his age he needs playing time quickly and it's likely the Spurs can only guarantee a chance to make the rotation if Manu retires. It's just not worth it for him if there's no conceivable way he will make the rotation. So I think if he can't be guaranteed an opportunity to make the rotation the Spurs may have to release his rights like they did with DeColo. I suspect there are teams he could join that would give him a chance to play more.
Last edited by SAGirl; 06-01-2017 at 12:33 PM.
I disagree, he's done nothing to have the sort of power to demand anything from an NBA team. He's not even in top 50 best paid players in Europe and never has been even close to it. Anyway, we'll know in a month or so what kind of contract he signs. Or doesn't.
I think that's pretty much on target. Bertans was a risk because he'd had two knee surgeries. And Hanga has had other teams trying to buy him in Europe. (Their contract rules are just puzzling as .) I remember Hanga saying that he missed a couple of opportunities to come over here for camps because of injuries, but he's been healthy for the last couple of years - just under contract. The Spurs gave LJC rookie scale money, and if they think Hanga is worth signing, I'd expect him to get the same. With the current roster/cap situation, if the Spurs sign him, he'll get minutes. Not starter minutes or anything, but he'll get a chance to prove himself on the court.
He's a pretty good defender. That's a good start for making the Spurs roster.
I am basing this on a tweet.. it's here somewhere but it's from someone informed in the situation by his agent. He's only joining the team if Manu retires, it was very specific. so make of it what you will. I think his agent has interest from other teams to put the Spurs in this situation. If he can't get what he wants, he may just as well go back to Europe tbh. DeColo was very unsatisfied with being between 5th to 6th wing on the rotation at any given time and I don't think Hanga has any interest in that.
I think this is ridiculous. A no name from a mid level euroleague team having the audacity to demand a HOF great to retire so he could sign a contract? Come on. I don't for a second believe the agent has made such a remark except for maybe in jest, but if he has I bet Pop and RC had a good laugh over it.
He would have interest from euroleague teams, sure, but the pay difference is enormous. He's never been paid even close to a min NBA contract in his career.
DeColo's case is different. He's always been a talented player, much more talented than Hanga. Hanga is a late bloomer and a hard worker but nowhere near the talent. Besides DeColo is getting paid decent money in Europe and has been for a while. Not the case for Hanga. A 2 year min NBA contract would be the best money he's made by far and if he gets the chance to earn a decent one time NBA deal after that he'd have beaten great odds, considering where he's been for most of his career.
I am not making this up. He's not demanding anyone to retire but he doesn't IMO want to join the Spurs if there's no path to playing time... or maybe it's the Spurs who would not sign him to be 6th wing who knows? But I didn't make it up. I am in a cell and can't dig that tweet up. It's here somewhere.
I know the tweet you refer to. I think it's bollocks.
18/5/5/2 great game
http://www.acb.com/jv/partido.php?c=612242
Lol.
You should have said that earlier. I am crediting the tweet and assuming he's not coming over if he doesn't have a real chance to play. To me it makes sense with his age. If you don't credit that as true then you are going to have a different perspective to begin with.
Hanga has no leverage, is running out of time to play in NBA and will have to take 1 or 2 year minimum. Spurs don't have flexibility to go above that for 28 year old question mark and will definitely not guarantee playing time.
An obvious replacement if Simmons gets poison pill offer, but projects as 5th wing, so if Ginobili also retires, they'll be in bind for 3rd wing. Evans and Miles are MLE options, while Carter and Meeks are lesser ones. Teodosic would be somewhat outside the box, but is better off defending shooting guards anyway.
I can never seem to find my tweets in jail either. The jailor usually takes my phone during booking. You are lucky they let you keep it.
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