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    Why do we need a globalist wealth-transfer scheme when switching to nuclear would actually be effective?
    i do think nuclear is appealing, but they've been shown to be incredibly vulnerable to all sorts of conditions. look at japan recently. nuclear plants also face issues when it comes to keeping them cool... if there's a bad heat wave, they often times have to be shut down, which is what happened in europe some time ago. store/disposal of waste is also not an easy problem

    and then you factor in the costs of countries that want to develop them. you want iran working nuclear power plants? saudi arabia? pakistan? can other nations afford it at all? they need funding for solar, imagine what it would take for nuclear

    imo it will ultimately be the direction we go in, but not for some time

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    yes so the complaint was that india's solar plan had a local-only provision, meaning they were going to spend more money for the same product. basically trumponomics.

    the problem is, if india is going to receive billions in foreign aid, and even get projects from the Green Climate Fund, and they are purposely using that money on more expensive products, then that's not going to fly, nor should it.

    if you were on welfare and the government sees you leasing a bmw...

    i'm sure that greedy companies also stand to benefit by getting into a foreign market, but if india isn't economically independent, then they have less of a say. that's just the way it is. the US wasn't trying to stop india from going solar, they were trying to stop india from using deliberately more expensive products partially paid for by international funds.
    maybe but it's more complicated. most (over 70%) of the imported solar cells came in from china and there were no duties on these imports which, of course, does not sit well with local manufacturers. so the WTO probably did more to harm India's manufacturing capacity as opposed to its endeavors into solar power. of course, it would be harder to be suspect of the WTO if its handling of the Doha round trade talks weren't so suspect (and seemingly endless).

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    Gov. Jerry Brown has more international respect than Trump at this point. Maybe we should call him President instead.



    California Governor Jerry Brown with President of China, Xi Jinping, on Tuesday.




    http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/poli...154537739.html
    Since when do States have the power to enter into agreements with other Nations?

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    Since when do States have the power to enter into agreements with other Nations?
    uh, "states rights"?

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    The Paris climate accord had much more to do with a transfer of wealth/technology than it did reducing emissions. You and Jerry Brown should actually read it.
    Yeah it's absolute bull and there are so many red flags and Jewish tricks here it's unbelievable. No wonder all these Silicon Valley/Wall Street guys think it's so great because it basically forces subsidies by taxpayers for a bunch of technology that wouldn't otherwise be profitable.

    Also, how does this get enforced? The report was very vague and had no mention of repercussions. To me, that just sounds like America and the other wealthy nations would be abiding by the rules (basically economic White Guilt) while our compe ors would say ' it' since they have no intention of slowing down their own economies. All the while more of our companies go overseas where they know they won't be regulated.

    I've been skeptical of many things Trumps has done so far but this was the most non-Jewish thing he's done thus far

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    Yeah it's absolute bull and there are so many red flags and Jewish tricks here it's unbelievable. No wonder all these Silicon Valley/Wall Street guys think it's so great because it basically forces subsidies by taxpayers for a bunch of technology that wouldn't otherwise be profitable.

    Also, how does this get enforced? The report was very vague and had no mention of repercussions. To me, that just sounds like America and the other wealthy nations would be abiding by the rules (basically economic White Guilt) while our compe ors would say ' it' since they have no intention of slowing down their own economies. All the while more of our companies go overseas where they know they won't be regulated.

    I've been skeptical of many things Trumps has done so far but this was the most non-Jewish thing he's done thus far
    German car makers are already manuevering

    German carmakers fear losing compe ive edge after U.S. Paris exit

    Germany's powerful car industry said Europe would need to reassess its environmental standards to remain compe ive after the United States said it would withdraw from the Paris climate pact.

    President Donald Trump said on Thursday he would withdraw the United States from the landmark 2015 global agreement to fight climate change, drawing anger and condemnation from world leaders and heads of industry.

    "The regrettable announcement by the USA makes it inevitable that Europe must facilitate a cost efficient and economically feasible climate policy to remain internationally compe ive," Matthias Wissmann, president of the German auto industry lobby group VDA, said in a statement on Friday.

    "The preservation of our compe ive position is the precondition for successful climate protection. This correlation is often underestimated," Wissmann said, adding that the decision by the Unites States was disappointing.

    The VDA said electricity and energy prices are already higher in Germany than in the United States, putting Germany at a disadvantage.

    The VDA represents carmakers including BMW (BMWG.DE), Volkswagen (VOWG_p.DE), and Mercedes-Benz parent Daimler (DAIGn.DE).

    The VDA's warning comes as German Chancellor Angela Merkel, one of the strongest advocates of the global pact to curb emissions of gases that speed climate change, said there was no turning back from the 2015 Paris climate agreement.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKBN18T1Q0

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    damn, all those 3rd world countries hustled and outsmarted the world powers

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    Since when do States have the power to enter into agreements with other Nations?
    there are hundreds of agreements between states and foreign governmental en ites (including Australia, China, Israel, Moldova, Taiwan, the Netherlands, Canada, the United Kingdom and Mexico) and they cover an array of topics such as agriculture, education, energy, trade, tourism, water issues and even climate change.

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    I've read as much of it as you have.

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    damn, all those 3rd world countries hustled and outsmarted the world powers
    Yes, trick them all into non-binding pact no one has to follow.

    гениальность!

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    Yes, trick them all into non-binding pact no one has to follow.

    гениальность!
    those draconian, voluntary goals

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    there are hundreds of agreements between states and foreign governmental en ites (including Australia, China, Israel, Moldova, Taiwan, the Netherlands, Canada, the United Kingdom and Mexico) and they cover an array of topics such as agriculture, education, energy, trade, tourism, water issues and even climate change.
    Just re-read the article and saw they were non-binding agreements between CA and China. I was originally thinking they were more like a treaty

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    I've read as much of it as you have.
    Great

    Did it seem more foucused on transfer of wealth/technology or a plan to reduce emissions?

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    Why do we need a globalist wealth-transfer scheme when switching to nuclear would actually be effective?
    Actually agree with this 1000% tbh and irrational fear of nuclear power by Greenpeace type liberals with a supers ious fear of it since it's not natural or whatever is one thing I detest about liberalism. Nuclear power is a tremendous energy solution when you look at the actual facts

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    nuclear discussion by folks who know nothing about nuclear power is

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    nuclear discussion by folks who know nothing about nuclear power is
    Well enlighten us then. Everything I've read indicates that despite the isolated failures at plants it's still very good overall even when taking those into account and would be beneficial in terms of Global Warming especially compared to other options

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    nuclear discussion by folks who know nothing about nuclear power is
    stop being so passive aggressive... what's your stance?

    am i doing it right?

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    Trump is all for state's rights. Let the voters in those states hold those officials accountable.

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    Trump is all for state's rights. Let the voters in those states hold those officials accountable.
    lets see how he responds to sanctuary states

    tee hee

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    Well enlighten us then. Everything I've read indicates that despite the isolated failures at plants it's still very good overall even when taking those into account and would be beneficial in terms of Global Warming especially compared to other options
    The entire project has at least as large a carbon footprint as nuclear. It's like the Tesla and other hybrid or electric cars; sure they make the owner feel like they are helping the planet and saving money, but in reality they are spending more and the processes for creating that vehicle are at least as contaminated if not more so than those for creating gas powered vehicles. But I get the sentiment, it's just we aren't children so feeling better about ourselves shouldn't be the goal but it's a very marketable emotion and folks fall for it.

    Would you want to live near a nuclear power plant?

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    stop being so passive aggressive... what's your stance?

    am i doing it right?
    Except you're doing it in a passive aggressive way. When I tell you that you're being PA, I am being genuine. When you do it, you're using "tu quoque" fallacy but being PA in the process.

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    lets see how he responds to sanctuary states

    tee hee
    He didn't say they cannot do it, but that they won't receive federal funding.


    tee, hee

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    Except you're doing it in a passive aggressive way. When I tell you that you're being PA, I am being genuine. When you do it, you're using "tu quoque" fallacy but being PA in the process.
    so what you're saying is that when i call you PA, i am being PA... but when you call me PA, you are not being PA


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    He didn't say they cannot do it, but that they won't receive federal funding.


    tee, hee
    and the courts didn't let him block the funding

    tee hee

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