Cavs: has any GOAT level player faced as much cir stances as lebron?

[phxspurfan]

The truth is, if the East wasn't so ty he probably wouldn't have made the finals a lot of those years. He's been making the finals by default, and it provides a good storyline(better than if IND or TOR made the finals), but most times the real finals are the WCF.

If he would've had another contender in the East to challenge him some years where his teams weren't as good, it probably would've done more for his legacy.

This. In the West, the LeBron teams would have been challenged/lost to many 2nd tier teams like Portland with LMA/Lillard, Memphis with Tony Allen/ZBo/Marc/Conley, Clips with Blake/CP3/DJ, even the Jazz would have given them this year. No way teams back then with guys like Ira Newble or whatever get by teams like the Suns, Mavs, Lakers etc.

That's why he has / will have a 3 for 8 finals record. Fools Gold teams.

[hitmanyr2k]

LeBron's has faced the following superstars in the finals

Duncan/tony parker/manu
dirk
kawhi/Duncan/tony parker/manu
Durant/curry/draymond/klay
Durant/westbrook/harden


for comparison, Jordan has faced these

washed up magic/injured lakers
clyde Drexler and terry porter
barkley and a couple of chumps

kemp/payton- (only legit stars the bulls has faced)
Malone and payton x 2 and some more chumps

obviously, different eras but I don't care what era you place the warriors, they are simply going to dominate any nba team, bulls included.

I hope this was a troll post Let's not act like the Bulls didn't face offensive juggernaut teams. Also, washed up Magic? He was only a year removed from winning the MVP a year before and didn't slow down at all

The '93 Suns had seven double digit scorers. In fact if you combine their top 7 scorers, they actually outscore Golden State's top 7.

Barkley, KJ , Dan Majerle, Tom Chambers, Dumas, Ainge, and Ceballos combined for 111 points per game.

Durant, Curry, Klay, Draymond, Iggy, Clark, and Pachulia combine for 103 points per game.

The 1992 Blazers are also similar to the Suns in having six double digit scorers along with Danny Ainge who just missed with 9.7. May as well round him up and say 7 double digit scorers as well.

The Blazers and Suns were both run and gun teams that played at the exact same pace as Golden State but when they ran into the Bulls (who played at almost the slowest pace in the league) they found a team that could control the pace with their triangle offense instead of playing their uptempo game.

[resistanze]

This. In the West, the LeBron teams would have been challenged/lost to many 2nd tier teams like Portland with LMA/Lillard, Memphis with Tony Allen/ZBo/Marc/Conley, Clips with Blake/CP3/DJ, even the Jazz would have given them this year. No way teams back then with guys like Ira Newble or whatever get by teams like the Suns, Mavs, Lakers etc.

That's why he has / will have a 3 for 8 finals record. Fools Gold teams.

So in this scenario where LeBron is in the West, he still somehow plays for the Cavs?

[DMC]

Lebron is the best player in the world, without question. However none of the teams he's ever played on have used ball movement to do anything but get Lebron the ball. It's similar to what's happening in OKC if Westbrook was 6'9 and 260lbs, and had an Irving and Love level set of teammates. Westbrook stat pads, this we know, and Lebron does not, however Lebron is so good at scoring that he's always the best option on offense, so when he's not on the floor it's a bit of a new thing for the team. He plays so many minutes that "no Lebron" rarely happens in the RS for teams to develop "no Lebron" play.

[lefty]

I hope this was a troll post Let's not act like the Bulls didn't face offensive juggernaut teams. Also, washed up Magic? He was only a year removed from winning the MVP a year before and didn't slow down at all

The '93 Suns had seven double digit scorers. In fact if you combine their top 7 scorers, they actually outscore Golden State's top 7.

Barkley, KJ , Dan Majerle, Tom Chambers, Dumas, Ainge, and Ceballos combined for 111 points per game.

Durant, Curry, Klay, Draymond, Iggy, Clark, and Pachulia combine for 103 points per game.

The 1992 Blazers are also similar to the Suns in having six double digit scorers along with Danny Ainge who just missed with 9.7. May as well round him up and say 7 double digit scorers as well.

The Blazers and Suns were both run and gun teams that played at the exact same pace as Golden State but when they ran into the Bulls (who played at almost the slowest pace in the league) they found a team that could control the pace with their triangle offense instead of playing their uptempo game.

The Blazers only had Drexler as legit star. Did Clyde have a Pippen? Buck Williams was a good PF but Grant was better. Duckworth was fat.
The Blazer were so mentally weak too

93 Suns : Majerle was an overrated defender, the Suns had no interior D. LeBron would have averaged 50 ppg against those turnstiles
The Suns barely beat the Lakers and needed the refs vs the Sonics in game 7 - SIXTY FOUR FREE THROWS.

Also, KJ was playing injured and Ceballos missed the Finals. Ceballos matched up very well vs Pippen.

96 Sonics. Ok they were good, but Jordan shot like , Rodman was the real Finals MVP.

97 and 98 Jazz = white stiffs
Game 6 of the 98 Finals was rigged as

[RsxPiimp]

The Blazers only had Drexler as legit star. Did Clyde have a Pippen? Buck Williams was a good PF but Grant was better. Duckworth was fat.
The Blazer were so mentally weak too

93 Suns : Majerle was an overrated defender, the Suns had no interior D. LeBron would have averaged 50 ppg against those turnstiles
The Suns barely beat the Lakers and needed the refs vs the Sonics in game 7 - SIXTY FOUR FREE THROWS.

Also, KJ was playing injured and Ceballos missed the Finals. Ceballos matched up very well vs Pippen.

96 Sonics. Ok they were good, but Jordan shot like , Rodman was the real Finals MVP.

97 and 98 Jazz = white stiffs
Game 6 of the 98 Finals was rigged as

truthbombs bro

[Fabbs]

Can anyone tell what WarriorRef Ed Malloy is saying to the real MVP after this dunk and burning LeBron out of and +1 while readjusting Durants pampers?

[spursistan]

I still think Jordan is the GOAT, but there is no doubt that James faced tougher teams in his Finals..

[ambchang]

I still think Jordan is the GOAT, but there is no doubt that James faced tougher teams in his Finals..

It's because of parity. People can't say this team has a higher net efficiency than another team in a totally different era and conclude it's a better team. The situations are totally different.

How often do you have three allstars on one team in the 90s, let alone four? The league just went through rapid expansion (4 teams in the late 80s), and all teams were compe ive, unlike now, where you can't even be considered a contender without having three allstars.

You can look at which team actually played in the finals in the 10's:
1) Dallas
2) Miami (lebron)
3) Spurs
4) Warriors
5) Cavs (Lebron)

Now you look at the first 7 years of the 90s:
1) Lakers
2) Bulls
3) Blazers
4) Suns
5) Magic
6) Rockets
7) Knicks
8) Sonics
9) Jazz

That's almost double the team, and the only reason there weren't more was because of how dominant Jordan was. Total lack of parity.