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The Spurs need another superstar player to play with Kawhi. It's clear now that LMA is not that guy. He needs to be the 3rd best player. Maybe Paul George?
Cannot waste Kawhi's prime if he could leave in two years. He probably stays, but can't bank on it.
Not just that, but if there are 25 teams punting and 4 trying to compete with the Warriors, assets will be cheaper to come by as there won't be as much demand.
The Spurs need another superstar player to play with Kawhi. It's clear now that LMA is not that guy. He needs to be the 3rd best player. Maybe Paul George?
If the Spurs are to go after a big free agent, I'd rather they go after Gordon Hayward; you'd get a strong wing-man for Kawhi in the prime of his career throughout the length of the contract who can handle the ball, shoot and guard multiple positions. Not to mention that he comes from the team who runs the most similar offense to San Antonio's in Utah, so the learning curve would theoretically be smaller.
That being said, I wouldn't be mad if they obtained CP3. Both are really good options. And if they can't get either of those, then you can explore trades and rely on the growth of your young'uns and further familiarity with the system for a team with seven new players last year on a 60+ win team. A team could do worse.
It would be great to have Paul. What realistic path would bring him here?
We get these threads from time to time that propose great moves that have no realistic chance of happening.
Leonard will not leave sa unless the spurs up the coaching search when poop leaves
I want Pau gone, and if getting rid of him nets us an all star level player that much the better. His three point shot isn't enough for me to want to retain him at that price. If we can use Pau's contract to somehow net us CP3 or heck a Boogie (or even a longshot Paul George rental or Jimmy Butler). An All star level player that could be effective against the Dubs or Cavs added to the roster, since I don't think Pau is an all star player anymore and I know he isn't effective against the Dubs.
Spurs can theoretically add Paul and still have money in 2018 for another solid player. You people thinking spurs have a realistic shot to get any big name FA is ridiculous. So if Paul says yes spurs will do what it takes to make room. our depth. Spurs with Paul will attract some ring chasers and PATFO has proven they can plug players in year by year and make it work. And besides if spurs can make it happen they can at least compete with GS and all it takes is 1 injury to KD or Curry and spurs are easily in the finals. Bottom line if we can get Paul you do it. Anyone who disagrees is re ed tbh
actually if Paul is just using us as a stalking horse, I wouldn't mind going after Livingston at a moderate price. He has starters skills is a matchup nightmare and would only be a short term place holder for MVParker immediately and Dijon long term. I would prefer him to Hill and the other pg FA's not named CP3 and might come at a cheaper price (not much cheaper because then he would stay with the Dubs).
This has the double effect of also weakening GS - they can't replace him with anything more than the tiny room exception.
Livingston has literally no shooting range - literally doesn't shoot beyond 18 feet. That works for GS but could create floor clogging issues with the Spurs.
We don't have a realistic path. Might as well rebuild
You could do a direct trade of Gasol + Draft picks for Paul George. It would be a one year "rental" but Gasol is good as gone anyay, costs the same amount, and the draft picks arent that big of a deal.
If we landed CP3 you would have to strongly consider doing this.
Dumping Pau or Parker and then relinquishing Manu's hold would likely get you a lot of the way there.
The issue is that getting someone to eat salary would require giving away talent. If the cost is Danny Green you are creating a gaping hole at the 2.
why would the Pacers do that?
I agree about the screens, but a PG that can deliver the ball/hit OPEN shots is needed. Also a Big man who is decisive on the catch. Those two things are still needed after all the screening has been done to get them open. Take the time and watch how it was run with Jazz from the late 80s-the late 2000s.
Because PG is leaving for nothing. Lakers prob won't offer a first round pick since they can sign Pg for free in free agency.
Getting a first round pick plus the same salary relief as PG leaving is better than nothing
You left out the Gasol part.
I want to option Pau for either CP3, or Boogie more so than PG13 but barring those two not happening a year PG rental while hoping to convince him SA is the place to be wouldn't NE the worst outcome.
The Spurs are notorious for making do with what they can raise in their own garden and only bring in pieces. These big name free agents have never been part of the building process in San Antonio, and I don't know why Spurs fans suddenly think it should be or will be. If this were to happen, the Spurs would be just like other teams, with a group of guys who don't play well together, poor locker room chemistry and players throwing each other under the bus. What makes the Spurs good is that average players can become good players in San Antonio and get minutes whereas on other teams, your Simmons or Murray types will be pine riders or trade fodder for players with names even if they don't have any game. This is why I laugh when the Lakers talk about developing their young guys instead of bringing in a couple big names. That's not how they operate, but it is how the Spurs operate. Just the fact that the Celtics are ready to trade away the 1st overall pick is amazing and says they don't value the draft class enough to think it makes a difference for them. I cannot imagine the Spurs trading away a 1st overall pick.
That's a very good point, but unless they tank a season a d that can only happen if Kawhu gets injured their options in the draft are limited. Last 2 seasons they have made rubs at FA... (and tried to sign KD). Their core was too old to be sustainable around Kawhi and that have drafted roleplayers which is fine if they had that second star (which LMA hasn't played like this season). Anywys FA is the only way to add a real second banana.
I am ready to see the young Spurs develop.
Oh they give a half hearted try at free agents but they don't run the franchise like they are freeing up cap space, that's for sure. You cannot have it both ways if you're not in LA, Miami or NY.
This is spot on, and only supported by the Spurs recent track record bringing in "stars" via free agency (Jefferson and LMA). It's hard to bring in a dude and expect them to adopt the Spurs "culture" when they've been used to doing thing their way. Paul George would be another in the mold of these past two "major FA" signings.
I'm for a reload/rebuild year, and would welcome flipping some established pieces for picks or recent draftees. So long as the front office infrastructure remains, I dont think Kawahi is that big of a risk to leave as other here fear. He's not a mental midget.
If only but they can't compete for a championship while at teh same time flipping rotation players for development pieces... so they haven't gone this way either.
Maybe this philosophy worked for the last 20 years because of Tim Duncan being a top 10 GOAT player but it's not going to get the job done in today's NBA and the spurs would be foolish to think it will. As great as Kawhi is he has a long way to go before even sniffing Tim
And besides I would disagree anyway. Spurs courted Webber. Spurs were close to adding Jason Kidd. They also went after J. oneal. spurs added then-sought after free agent Finley. They traded for RJ to be a big 4. And they went after LMA and most recently KD. Spurs definitely try to go after big names when they can like any other team
Yes. People forget how hard it is to get a high quality free agent in his prime. It's even tougher now. I don't see many moves by Spurs except to bring over a few overseas players, and those won't move the needle against GSW.
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