Official 2017 Offseason Thread

[bklynspursfan]

Good stuff Pau. Didn't see that coming

[DPG21920]

We knew this was an option, especially if Pau didn't want to get traded (which he doesn't since SA is a great team and fit for him).

The question now becomes how much do the Spurs truly save and for what? This probably signals (things can change obviously) that 2018, even though Pau was off the books with TP, is not the plan. Money is on the books now for Pau most likely that year (and possibly beyond).

My bet: 3 years, 24M with player option in year 3. That would save 8M this year off the Spurs salaries so assuming all FA but Simmons renounced SA would be sitting at roughly 85M in salaries with a 102M cap.

[mo7888]

Does this make a lma trade more likely or less likely?

[Jdspur20]

We knew this was an option, especially if Pau didn't want to get traded (which he doesn't since SA is a great team and fit for him).

The question now becomes how much do the Spurs truly save and for what? This probably signals (things can change obviously) that 2018, even though Pau was off the books with TP, is not the plan. Money is on the books now for Pau most likely that year (and possibly beyond).

My bet: 3 years, 24M with player option in year 3. That would save 8M this year off the Spurs salaries so assuming all FA but Simmons renounced SA would be sitting at roughly 85M in salaries with a 102M cap.

Good estimate. The issue is, could they still clear enough space for a guy like CP3?

[DPG21920]

Actually, my math on SA may be wrong.

[DPG21920]

So now, if you assume all cap holds are renounced except for Simmons and you stretch TP, you are roughly at 75M in obligations with a cap of 102M = 27M in cap space.

That means the only players you lose would be TP (out anyways with injury), Mills (have Murray), Manu (can easily come back at min) & Dedmon (no real good replacement at this point. Is 27M enough to convince a star to come and team up with:

Star FA/Danny/Kawhi/LMA/Pau

Murray/Forbes/Simmons/Bertans/Kyle/Draft Pick #29/David Lee/Maybe Manu/Maybe Mulitnov?

[Mal]

We knew this was an option, especially if Pau didn't want to get traded (which he doesn't since SA is a great team and fit for him).

The question now becomes how much do the Spurs truly save and for what? This probably signals (things can change obviously) that 2018, even though Pau was off the books with TP, is not the plan. Money is on the books now for Pau most likely that year (and possibly beyond).

My bet: 3 years, 24M with player option in year 3. That would save 8M this year off the Spurs salaries so assuming all FA but Simmons renounced SA would be sitting at roughly 85M in salaries with a 102M cap.

Spurs won't have bird rights for Gasol, and if they have 17 mil in cap space, Gasol is going to get full MLE, which is around 8 mil if I recall.

[DPG21920]

Spurs won't have bird rights for Gasol, and if they have 17 mil in cap space, Gasol is going to get full MLE, which is around 8 mil if I recall.

My 85M estimate includes Pau getting 8M and it won't be MLE, it will be cap space. You can't have MLE and cap space - at least not the MLE you are referring to. Only the mini-MLE

[szkorhetz]

So now, if you assume all cap holds are renounced except for Simmons and you stretch TP, you are roughly at 75M in obligations with a cap of 102M = 27M in cap space.

That means the only players you lose would be TP (out anyways with injury), Mills (have Murray), Manu (can easily come back at min) & Dedmon (no real good replacement at this point. Is 27M enough to convince a star to come and team up with:

Star FA/Danny/Kawhi/LMA/Pau

Murray/Forbes/Simmons/Bertans/Kyle/Draft Pick #29/David Lee/Maybe Manu/Maybe Mulitnov?

+Hanga. For Lowry/Hill/Holiday it's a no brainer. For CP3? I am not So sure.

[DPG21920]

+Hanga. For Lowry/Hill/Holiday it's a no brainer. For CP3? I am not So sure.

Good call - forgot about Hanga. That definitely puts the roster in a crunch, so maybe Muli doesn't come over or this 29th pick is a stash.

Im just making tons of assumptions here (especially TP being stretched). I'm just trying to predict what might happen based on the Pau move.

Reason I think TP getting stretched is what I'm going with? Because re-signing Pau keeps him on the books for 2018 it appears. Which means instead of letting Tp expire and Pau that year and having a lot of flexibility, they are forgoing that seemingly (things can change).

Instead of being forced to trade Pau/TP/Danny/LMA, Pau's route gives them some money without surrendering assets. Makes sense to then stretch TP to get more money and not be forced to trade to accomplish your goals.

Just wild guesses at this point though.

[Mal]

My 85M estimate includes Pau getting 8M and it won't be MLE, it will be cap space. You can't have MLE and cap space - at least not the MLE you are referring to. Only the mini-MLE

So probably signing Paul, will require moving Green or Parker.

[Chinook]

Gonna just read that first clause:

[Mal]

Instead of being forced to trade Pau/TP/Danny/LMA, Pau's route gives them some money without surrendering assets. Makes sense to then stretch TP to get more money and not be forced to trade to accomplish your goals.

Just wild guesses at this point though.

Trade Parker and 29th to Sacramento for nothing. They won't have salary floor.

[jyra]

[NASpurs]

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(we knew he was going to opt out but it's still nice to read)

[DPG21920]

Every dollar counts

[Mal]

I've been thinking about something like that. Is it legal ? Trade Parker and 29th and cash, whatever it takes to Sacramento. Then let him rehab, let Kings waive him. Can he sign with Spurs in March ?

[Kindergarten Cop]

I really hope that he comes back on the vet minimum deal. Lee was everything that we had hoped that David West would be when we signed him the year before.

[bklynspursfan]

I really hope that he comes back on the vet minimum deal. Lee was everything that we had hoped that David West would be when we signed him the year before.

Yea most definitely. Great locker room guy too. Would love to have him back

[jyra]

I've been thinking about something like that. Is it legal ? Trade Parker and 29th and cash, whatever it takes to Sacramento. Then let him rehab, let Kings waive him. Can he sign with Spurs in March ?

That doesn't work anymore, from the CBA FAQ:

• A team cannot reacquire a player they traded away during that season (a season being July 1 - June 30). If he is waived by his new team, then he cannot re-sign with his original team until the one-year anniversary of the trade, or until the July 1 following the end of his contract, whichever comes first. However, if a team trades a player's draft rights, they can reacquire the player during the same season

[Jdspur20]

Can he really get much more money with his current injury and age?

[Chinook]

Can he really get much more money with his current injury and age?

Yeah. Seems like a fine room-exception guy, and that's worth $9M/2 or something like that.

[Mal]

That doesn't work anymore, from the CBA FAQ:

• A team cannot reacquire a player they traded away during that season (a season being July 1 - June 30). If he is waived by his new team, then he cannot re-sign with his original team until the one-year anniversary of the trade, or until the July 1 following the end of his contract, whichever comes first. However, if a team trades a player's draft rights, they can reacquire the player during the same season

Thanks. Thought that this is illegal, but didn't know how to google it.

[NASpurs]

[Mal]

Take Melo, give load of assets. Who ? Not Boston, probably not Phila.