Welcome to SA, CP3

[CGD]

You might be correct, but then again ...

Best thing that can happen for Spurs CP3 pursuits before July 1:

- LAC deal DJ to PHX for #4
- BOS uses its asset stockpile to get Griffin
- LAL and IND do trade for PG

CP3 all but forced out by pivot to rebuild.

[Uriel]

If Paul picks San Antonio, and the Spurs pay him the max, clearing enough room under the salary cap to fit his $35.3 million salary will be tricky. Even if center Pau Gasol declines his $16.2 million player option for 2017-18 and the Spurs renounce all their other free agents -- a group including key reserves Manu Ginobili, Patty Mills and Jonathon Simmons -- they'd still have less than $23 million in projected cap space based on the NBA's current $101 million salary-cap projection.

The most painless way for San Antonio to clear the necessary space in basketball terms would also be the most painful from a human perspective: moving veteran point guard Tony Parker, who has played his entire career for the Spurs, winning four championships. Since Paul would effectively replace Parker, who told French newspaper L'Equipe he doesn't expect to return from a ruptured quadriceps until next January, the on-court transition would be relatively seamless.

San Antonio could waive Parker and stretch his $15.4 million 2017-18 salary over the next three seasons to get to $33.2 million in cap space. Giving Paul his max would also require trading young reserves Kyle Anderson, Davis Bertans and Dejounte Murray as well as this year's first-round pick (drafting a player who intends to remain overseas would also work), which would leave the Spurs with just three players under contract before signing Paul.

Alternatively, San Antonio could try to use draft picks to entice a team under the cap to take on Parker's entire $15.5 million salary, which under current projections would allow the Spurs to avoid trading any young players and to retain the rights to free agents Simmons and David Lee while still creating the necessary cap space.

Bumping this now that Gasol has opted out.

[Hoops Czar]

Best thing that can happen for Spurs CP3 pursuits before July 1:

- LAC deal DJ to PHX for #4
- BOS uses its asset stockpile to get Griffin
- LAL and IND do trade for PG



CP3 all but forced out by pivot to rebuild.

In that scenario, Paul would be part of the rebuild.

[Kindergarten Cop]

In that scenario, Paul would be part of the rebuild.

Do you honestly feel that CP3 would want to be part of a rebuild at this point in his career (especially considering his reputation for his lack of success in the playoffs)?

[cjw]

Best thing that can happen for Spurs CP3 pursuits before July 1:

- LAC deal DJ to PHX for #4
- BOS uses its asset stockpile to get Griffin
- LAL and IND do trade for PG

CP3 all but forced out by pivot to rebuild.

Griffin will opt out and is a FA. No need to shed assets but may need to cut a little salary around the edges depending on other things.

If they're offering for 4 for DJ, you make the trade ASAP if you're the Clippers. Heck, throw in a few seconds for good measure.

[DPG21920]

PHX hung up on LA when they asked for #4 tbh..

[Hoops Czar]

Do you honestly feel that CP3 would want to be part of a rebuild at this point in his career (especially considering his reputation for his lack of success in the playoffs)?

Do you really think the Clippers would hire Jerry West so they can tank? They're freeing up cap space to sign max free agents this year, next year or both.

[coachmac87]

Do you really think the Clippers would hire Jerry West so they can tank? They're freeing up cap space to sign max free agents this year, next year or both.

Yeahhhhh they're about to nuke the entire thing and probably including Doc...

[Kindergarten Cop]

Do you really think the Clippers would hire Jerry West so they can tank? They're freeing up cap space to sign max free agents this year, next year or both.

I think they brought in West because of his history of building (or at a minimum, helping build) successful organizations - and he is quoted as saying that "changes are necessary". His last 2 stops could be labeled as "tanking" in their infancy - but he was able to build something that's not only successful, but extremely stable. I'm not saying that CP3 is not part of West's plans for the future, but I also would not be totally surprised if he completely cleaned house and started anew.

[Mal]

sure thing bro

even 1 M would help tbh

You can laugh all you want, but having Parker`s corpse eat 15,5 mil of salary space is just waste.

[spursistan]

Let's just say it unequivocally: CP has wasted most of his career with "Black Coaches" *..

* http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=210610

[cutewizard]

[Brazil]

Brazil - The $50 million difference is not meaningful for a guy who will get another contract after this one. Over the first four years of the deal, it's more like $10 million. Shorter deal also lets him hit FA again sooner.

CP3 is 32 and a 2+1 offer from Spurs would let him sign another 2+1 with Spurs afterwards. A 3+1 would put him at the over 38 rule on contract #2. So he may actually be okay taking just 2+1.

Kony - Spurs can't offer a fifth year. Not allowed.

I know, i meant at what point if any during the assumed 4 year deal could/would he be able to sign an extension to give him 5+ years total?

In all cases 50 M is meaningful because in Clips case it is guaranteed which won't be the case if he signs with another team. Hitting FA sooner is good only if you are still good at playing bb and if you are healthy enough, that's two big IFs for a 32 y/o player. So I disagree about the noting this gap is not meaningful, look at Dwight move, I'm pretty sure at the end he will lose a bunch of money.

Now there is a way to limit risk for CP3 it is signing a max contract for one year and then negotiate a max deal but players usually hate those one year deals, if they suffer a career ending injury in the meantime they are ed up. Besides you need to have cap space for that and twice, for the one year deal and the extension.

At the end all depends on Paul financial profile: risk taker or safe guy

[Mal]

At the end all depends on Paul financial profile: risk taker or safe guy

He can still do same thing as Durant. 1+1, and then sign 4 years deal. Spurs will have cap space in 2018, with Danny Green and LMA opting out while having full bird rights. Maxing out Paul is bad idea, but if he'll sign on discount, again like Durant, he can go here.

I don't buy in career ending injury factor. One guy who suffered that is Chris Bosh. And this is heart issues, not playing injury. With Spurs, Paul will be guaranteed not to play injured, not to play too much minutes. Of course it's better to have 5 years deal, in case a truck hits you on pavement, but you cannot realy factor it.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

He can still do same thing as Durant. 1+1, and then sign 4 years deal. Spurs will have cap space in 2018, with Danny Green and LMA opting out while having full bird rights. Maxing out Paul is bad idea, but if he'll sign on discount, again like Durant, he can go here.

In this scenario Spurs wouldn't have cap space due to Green's and LMA's cap holds. They'd have to renounce them in order to be able to have max space for re-signing Paul.

[Brazil]

You can laugh all you want

yup

[Brazil]

He can still do same thing as Durant. 1+1, and then sign 4 years deal. Spurs will have cap space in 2018, with Danny Green and LMA opting out while having full bird rights. Maxing out Paul is bad idea, but if he'll sign on discount, again like Durant, he can go here.

I don't buy in career ending injury factor. One guy who suffered that is Chris Bosh. And this is heart issues, not playing injury. With Spurs, Paul will be guaranteed not to play injured, not to play too much minutes. Of course it's better to have 5 years deal, in case a truck hits you on pavement, but you cannot realy factor it.

it is not just about in case of a truck, it is better financially to have a 5 years with Clips in all scenarios. If you think just about money and finance clips deal is no brainer better return with no risk.

I mentioned career ending risk in the case of a one year deal (unlikely but can happen), again players don't like those kind of deals. Now when you are 32 and you have a 4 years deal ahead of you, example of PG declining around this age are numerous, the risk of lingering injury or simply decline (even tho Paul will age better than a Parker for instance) is quite high.

The financial aspect is 100% in favor of Clips, I'm not in Paul mind and maybe for him playing for Pop with Kawhi and his friend Parker is more important but I don't think so. If argument is about winning I'm not sure Spurs are in better condition than clips... Clips are also attractive for the big FAs in 2018, if they can give a perspective of Griffin, Paul and a big FA lets say Lebron/George/Davis they have also solid argument to retain Paul.

[coachmac87]

it is not just about in case of a truck, it is better financially to have a 5 years with Clips in all scenarios. If you think just about money and finance clips deal is no brainer better return with no risk.

I mentioned career ending risk in the case of a one year deal (unlikely but can happen), again players don't like those kind of deals. Now when you are 32 and you have a 4 years deal ahead of you, example of PG declining around this age are numerous, the risk of lingering injury or simply decline (even tho Paul will age better than a Parker for instance) is quite high.

The financial aspect is 100% in favor of Clips, I'm not in Paul mind and maybe for him playing for Pop with Kawhi and his friend Parker is more important but I don't think so. If argument is about winning I'm not sure Spurs are in better condition than clips... Clips are also attractive for the big FAs in 2018, if they can give a perspective of Griffin, Paul and a big FA lets say Lebron/George/Davis they have also solid argument to retain Paul.

The Clippers have been dominated by the Warriors for 3 years..they have no assets or young prospects...they could easily lose Griffin/Red in FA...they are in "desperate" mode by hiring Jerry West...and desperate mode is never a good look...they're literally pitching a fantasy to try and keep Paul...

The only advantage they have over Spurs is $$ and that's been broken down numerous times...everything else is absolutely in Spurs favor..the fact you say the Clippers are potentially in better shape going forward is ridiculous...

[Mal]

In this scenario Spurs wouldn't have cap space due to Green's and LMA's cap holds. They'd have to renounce them in order to be able to have max space for re-signing Paul.

They could work around it, sign Paul with cap space, sign them both with bird rights. Even with them Spurs have project 55 mil in salaries. There will be Gasol`s deal, potentially Lee's, Simmons's, 29th pick etc, but still plenty of room for Paul and even another FA.

[Brazil]

The Clippers have been dominated by the Warriors for 3 years..they have no assets or young prospects...they could easily lose Griffin/Red in FA...they are in "desperate" mode by hiring Jerry West...and desperate mode is never a good look...they're literally pitching a fantasy to try and keep Paul...

The only advantage they have over Spurs is $$ and that's been broken down numerous times...everything else is absolutely in Spurs favor..the fact you say the Clippers are potentially in better shape going forward is ridiculous...

smh..

name everything else in Spurs favor ? As of today I don't see clips situation being worst than Spurs, in what regard ? Spurs yes have the better coach and have Kawhi... name the rest of Spurs attractive stuff, Gasol ? LMA on a remaining 2 years 45 M deal ? Parker ? Manu ? Murray, Fathead ? tbh... what assets or young prospects Spurs have that make us more attractive ?

your take is homerism

Spurs have arguments, stuff to offer but clips are not desperate and have some arguments starting with big money.

[coachmac87]

smh..

name everything else in Spurs favor ? As of today I don't see clips situation being worst than Spurs, in what regard ? Spurs yes have the better coach and have Kawhi... name the rest of Spurs attractive stuff, Gasol ? LMA on a remaining 2 years 45 M deal ? Parker ? Manu ? Murray, Fathead ? tbh... what assets or young prospects Spurs have that make us more attractive ?

your take is homerism

Spurs have arguments, stuff to offer but clips are not desperate and have some arguments starting with big money.

Ok let's start with being one of the most successful franchises in SPORTS for the past 20 years and how about RESPECT across the league with players/coaches. I've never heard anybody praise the Clippers for a damn thing. They've choked away their window and are now trying to bring in stability in the FO (West) because Rivers has been a dumpster fire...

They're now openly shopping Jordan...Griffin and Paul have been speculated to go elsewhere..and let's not forget the chemistry/locker room issues spoken about during the season. This franchise is a disaster and they're relying on Jerry West to come save the day and pitch Paul about getting LeBron...that's ing desperate.

Every analyst or basketball mind has said if we're talking strictly basketball SA > LAC abd you're the only one who's stating otherwise..

You even conceded the Spurs have the better coach and best player but are thinking the Clippers have better role players or prospects??! You're an idiot and don't know about what's going on...

Spurs are going after Paul whether you like it or not...and the process starts tomorrow when they trade or stash this pick..so get your popcorn ready.

[gambit1990]

Ok let's start with being one of the most successful franchises in SPORTS for the past 20 years and how about RESPECT across the league with players/coaches. I've never heard anybody praise the Clippers for a damn thing. They've choked away their window and are now trying to bring in stability in the FO (West) because Rivers has been a dumpster fire...

They're now openly shopping Jordan...Griffin and Paul have been speculated to go elsewhere..and let's not forget the chemistry/locker room issues spoken about during the season. This franchise is a disaster and they're relying on Jerry West to come save the day and pitch Paul about getting LeBron...that's ing desperate.

Every analyst or basketball mind has said if we're talking strictly basketball SA > LAC abd you're the only one who's stating otherwise..

You even conceded the Spurs have the better coach and best player but are thinking the Clippers have better role players or prospects??! You're an idiot and don't know about what's going on...

Spurs are going after Paul whether you like it or not...and the process starts tomorrow when they trade or stash this pick..so get your popcorn ready.

[Brazil]

Ok let's start with being one of the most successful franchises in SPORTS for the past 20 years and how about RESPECT across the league with players/coaches. I've never heard anybody praise the Clippers for a damn thing. They've choked away their window and are now trying to bring in stability in the FO (West) because Rivers has been a dumpster fire...

what argument is that ? same I guess Lakers are using to evaluate their chance to land Lebron James in 2018... duh

They're now openly shopping Jordan...Griffin and Paul have been speculated to go elsewhere..and let's not forget the chemistry/locker room issues spoken about during the season. This franchise is a disaster and they're relying on Jerry West to come save the day and pitch Paul about getting LeBron...that's ing desperate.

The fact they are shopping Jordan is actually a good sign a most likely a positive argument to retain Griffin and CP3.. so try again. In what btw pitching Paul about getting Lebron is desperate ? if you have a franchise and don't do your diligence to see if you can land Lebron you are an idiot especially knowing that CP3 is part of the Lebron krew.

Every analyst or basketball mind has said if we're talking strictly basketball SA > LAC abd you're the only one who's stating otherwise..

You can't have it both ways brah, sure strictly bb as of right now SA>LAC, strictly financial LAC>SA, potential moves to get better in the future by landing a free agent I don't see Spurs having that of an advantage.

You even conceded the Spurs have the better coach and best player but are thinking the Clippers have better role players or prospects??! You're an idiot and don't know about what's going on...

the name calling won't help you bro, regarding pure BB as of right now yes Spurs have the better coach/orga and best player then I don't see in what our role players or prospects are so much better than Clips ones. You're an idiot tho if you don't understand money and safety are heavy arguments in this kind of conversation. you have no idea if CP3 is willing or not to sacrifice that much financially and CP3 signing with Spurs is not as safe as Durant signing with Dubs regarding odds to win it all

Spurs are going after Paul whether you like it or not...and the process starts tomorrow when they trade or stash this pick..so get your popcorn ready.

of course Spurs are going after Paul as they will go after Lebron in 2018 who would not ? I backed up my opinion with numbers and facts you are backing up your stance on but but respect

you think that Spurs will land CP3 or better have a better chance than Clippers I don't. The fact you are about it don't make your arguments more valid than mine bro.

Rockets landed Dwight with same kind of odds and financials than Spurs have so it's totally possible this does not make in CP3 case a scenario more likely than him resigning a max extension with Clippers

[coachmac87]

what argument is that ? same I guess Lakers are using to evaluate their chance to land Lebron James in 2018... duh



The fact they are shopping Jordan is actually a good sign a most likely a positive argument to retain Griffin and CP3.. so try again. In what btw pitching Paul about getting Lebron is desperate ? if you have a franchise and don't do your diligence to see if you can land Lebron you are an idiot especially knowing that CP3 is part of the Lebron krew.



You can't have it both ways brah, sure strictly bb as of right now SA>LAC, strictly financial LAC>SA, potential moves to get better in the future by landing a free agent I don't see Spurs having that of an advantage.



the name calling won't help you bro, regarding pure BB as of right now yes Spurs have the better coach/orga and best player then I don't see in what our role players or prospects are so much better than Clips ones. You're an idiot tho if you don't understand money and safety are heavy arguments in this kind of conversation. you have no idea if CP3 is willing or not to sacrifice that much financially and CP3 signing with Spurs is not as safe as Durant signing with Dubs regarding odds to win it all



of course Spurs are going after Paul as they will go after Lebron in 2018 who would not ? I backed up my opinion with numbers and facts you are backing up your stance on but but respect

you think that Spurs will land CP3 or better have a better chance than Clippers I don't. The fact you are about it don't make your arguments more valid than mine bro.

Rockets landed Dwight with same kind of odds and financials than Spurs have so it's totally possible this does not make in CP3 case a scenario more likely than him resigning a max extension with Clippers

Quit your bull ...

You said Clippers are in better shape going forward..I gave you reasons why that isn't the case..yes the Clippers can offer more $$ but that doesn't mean he's guaranteed to resign...

But go ahead and try to explain yourself on how the Clippers are better going forward..

[Brazil]

Quit your bull ...

You said Clippers are in better shape going forward..I gave you reasons why that isn't the case..yes the Clippers can offer more $$ but that doesn't mean he's guaranteed to resign...

But go ahead and try to explain yourself on how the Clippers are better going forward..

This is what I said

" If argument is about winning I'm not sure Spurs are in better condition than clips... Clips are also attractive for the big FAs in 2018, if they can give a perspective of Griffin, Paul and a big FA lets say Lebron/George/Davis they have also solid argument to retain Paul."

but go ahead and try to explain you are paying attention

meanwhile Clips can offer more money and Spurs what ? more respect ? a better chance at winning it all in 2018 ? probably but this odd increase will be enough to erase 50 M on a guaranteed fifth year ? I for one don't think so. Even after a CP3 signing with Spurs, Dubs continue to be favorite to win it all in 2018, after 2018 ? who knows with all those free agents to be signed

The only one with the bull is you