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    If Tad said he's good, he must be good.

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    TBH I don't see a need for him when we already have Forbes who hardly plays already.
    As if Forbes is actually going to stick around.

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    If he can be a solid role player, have an impact like Shaun Livingston, that'd be nice

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    Midget who will have trouble fighting through screens and will always lose his man.
    Midget? He's 6'5 with a 6'8 wingspan..


    TBH I don't see a need for him when we already have Forbes who hardly plays already.
    He's significantly better than Forbes.

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    Not as impressive to me bc he's old frankly. His age at the ncaa level does say a lot about his level of experience vs his compe ion etc... so I am not getting blown away by his stats. Again didn't watch him so I don't really know him but he appears solid and a good shooter so I am very satisfied that he fulfills a need.
    Old? I am always amazed at people's perception of age. It wasn't THAT long ago that the NBA banned players who were not old enough to have graduated from college. Drafting college seniors was the norm. Nowadays Sophmores are too old. So everybod thinks NBA teams need to draft these freshmen who barely know the game; then the same people complain about the quality of play in the league. You can't have it both ways. If you draft raw freshmen and have to coach them on fundamentals as college coaches formerly did while throwing them into the NBA fray against men like Kawhi or LeBron, then it will take most of those guys a few years to perform at a professional level - if they ever do. Ageism also seems like a strange prejudice in the modern NBA when it seems like players are generally enjoying longer careers - especially with the Spurs.

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    Old? I am always amazed at people's perception of age. It wasn't THAT long ago that the NBA banned players who were not old enough to have graduated from college. Drafting college seniors was the norm. Nowadays Sophmores are too old. So everybod thinks NBA teams need to draft these freshmen who barely know the game; then the same people complain about the quality of play in the league. You can't have it both ways. If you draft raw freshmen and have to coach them on fundamentals as college coaches formerly did while throwing them into the NBA fray against men like Kawhi or LeBron, then it will take most of those guys a few years to perform at a professional level - if they ever do. Ageism also seems like a strange prejudice in the modern NBA when it seems like players are generally enjoying longer careers - especially with the Spurs.
    Agreed. During the Chris Paul draft Atlanta raised a lot of eyebrows by selecting an unproven freshman named Marvin Williams in front of CP and Deron Williams. He turned out... blah. Now every team is scrambling to draft Marvin Williams. Everyone in this draft was Marvin Williams.

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    Looks like a gamer, I wish him the best even if it's not with us.

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    Agreed. During the Chris Paul draft Atlanta raised a lot of eyebrows by selecting an unproven freshman named Marvin Williams in front of CP and Deron Williams. He turned out... blah. Now every team is scrambling to draft Marvin Williams. Everyone in this draft was Marvin Williams.
    Yeah, I remember Marvin.

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    I think unless you have a guy with two or three elite metrics and what you feel are some correctable metrics, e.g. Murray with elite size, quickness and handles but issues with strength, shooting and decision making, late in the draft you're better off going after a solid, established college player with 3 or 4 years experience. Those guys are more developed and you have a better feel for their floor is, more likely to be an NBA player

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    As if Forbes is actually going to stick around.
    I tend to agree. I think we just drafted a guy to replace both Mills and Forbes.

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    He stinks. He can't even turn the corner against bigs on the pick and roll. Too casual with no urgency in his game whatsoever. I hate the pick.

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    Feels like one of those guys who never gets much PT here then gets moved

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    He will get better. This is how the talent in the nba is.

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    Agreed. During the Chris Paul draft Atlanta raised a lot of eyebrows by selecting an unproven freshman named Marvin Williams in front of CP and Deron Williams. He turned out... blah. Now every team is scrambling to draft Marvin Williams. Everyone in this draft was Marvin Williams.
    Seriously. Even on the same college team, guys were drafted based on upside and not production. Swinging for fences vs. grabbing the more sure thing without the crazy upside.

    The Gonzaga kid Zach Collins has the tools to be great but is raw and won't contribute much if at all on the first years of his rookie deal. Meanwhile, Williams-Goss goes late in the second and could be a very solid backup PG. Collins has a lot more upside obviously but may never tap it.

    Someone brought up Marvin Williams who didn't even start for his UNC team that produced multiple other NBAers.

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    I am more optimistic after reading his scouting reports. He's 23, but he has upside still. I'm not in the prediction game, but this is far from the worst I've felt about a pick. Still really wanted a big more, though.
    We all know how you want'em big Chinook.

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    A year or two will have Spurstalk fans saying I knew he was going to a good pick/ I knew he was going to suck. Stake your claim for future bookmarking.
    We already have some who've made it clear what they expect. I'm in the good pick camp. George Hill level. Not that level D but compensating with better play making and shooting from the get go.

    It's kind of a ridiculous premise. First of all, it's all guesswork at this point.

    Second of all, unless he becomes a clear star in the league, nobody will agree on whether he worked out or not. Look at Fathead. People here can't even agree on whether he was a total bust, or a great success for a late pick. Both sides say, "I told you so"... at the same time.

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    Had him on my hope list, but under the other guys I wanted like Bell and Bolden.

    Watched his game against Oregon last night. Good game stat-wise, but the most impressive showing. Good shooting, decent passing. Issues with athleticism getting to the rim and converting it seemed all game long. He does play a lot like Anderson without the refusal to shoot open threes.

    Hope Murray gets stronger, because they might be more suited to be together than one backing up the other. Schmitz had said on pre-draft podcasts things about how he might be best on the ball but with a bigger athlete who can get to the rim next to him, and that is more in line with Murray.

    More angry about the Warriors buying good gamble picks than the Spurs picking White.

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    We all know how you want'em big Chinook.

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    It's kind of a ridiculous premise. First of all, it's all guesswork at this point.

    Second of all, unless he becomes a clear star in the league, nobody will agree on whether he worked out or not. Look at Fathead. People here can't even agree on whether he was a total bust, or a great success for a late pick. Both sides say, "I told you so"... at the same time.
    You can't watch the tapes and feel you get an idea of what his strengths and weaknesses might be? Why bother posting anything about draft choices or stating a preference? I have certain expectations of success for him. If I'm wrong I'll own it. I was hopeful for Mahinmi. Wrong. Based on the summit game I was hopefully for Jean Charles but apparently he got body snatched. Murray has shown more promise than I expected from pre-draft tapes I saw mostly because he's hit the threes albeit in limited numbers at a higher percentage than I expected and he's making those wild ass floaters at a higher percentage than I expected (still not crazy about his relying on that shot so much).

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    We've been looking for a shooter and a playmaker. Here's our guy. He can put the ball in the bucket and he has IQ. He's taller and more athletic than SG CJ Mccollum. High floor kinda high cieling. Could he fill the Manu role? I actually think he could do that. Got to put the ball in the bucket against the Warriors.
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    It's kind of a ridiculous premise. First of all, it's all guesswork at this point.

    Second of all, unless he becomes a clear star in the league, nobody will agree on whether he worked out or not. Look at Fathead. People here can't even agree on whether he was a total bust, or a great success for a late pick. Both sides say, "I told you so"... at the same time.
    More importantly, that's the only reason this thread will exist. The insistence on people trying to pull up old quotes to laugh a people is by far the lamest aspects of this board (other than doing this but skipping the whole "evidence" thing).

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    More importantly, that's the only reason this thread will exist. The insistence on people trying to pull up old quotes to laugh a people is by far the lamest aspects of this board (other than doing this but skipping the whole "evidence" thing).
    My motivation is actually to try to get guys like dabom and apolosic to commit so hopefully we won't get endless threads started by them about how they were the first people on earth to recognize guys like Kawhi's greatness.

    Of course we won't here a peak out of them for awhile.

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    Any relationship to JAMES WHIIIIIITE? If not, idgaf about this scrub.

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    Cj McCollum potential or G.Hill
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    Me rikey.

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