Official 2017 Offseason Thread

[GSH]

Morey is a good GM who knows how to fill his roster, I have no doubts they will fill the void on the bench (though it won't be anyone as good most likely). But if they're going all in for Melo/George like the rumors have it, they may not really care about their punch off the bench as the may feel CP3/Harden/Melo or George/Anderson/Capella is enough firepower. A good bench is nice to have but for a coach like D'antoni who only plays 8 guys in the playoffs, i think they'll be fine

I think kony is right on this one.

LOL. Well for the Spurs' sake, I hope you're both wrong.

I understand the Rockets' wanting to sign a player like CP3 at all costs, and I'm not criticizing it. I sure as don't think it made them worse. All I was getting at is that I'm not sure it will make them a better team overall, considering what they gave up. Because I don't think they will be able to land another big name/talent, unless they give up even more. Morey may find a sleeper or two. If he does, it was a power move landing CP3. If he doesn't? Well, the Rockets will be entertaining in the regular season.

[HarlemHeat37]

My only concern with that is he has proven to be good enough with the ball in his hands and Kawhi has the ball in his hands at a forward position.

Same goes for Millsap, though..Millsap's biggest strength is his ball-handling and versatility for a PF IMO..Johnson is essentially a worse version of Millsap on a cheaper contract and with less mileage..

Another thing I like about him is that he's coming from the Heat, the East's version of the Spurs in terms of culture and environment..

[look_at_g_shred]

Holiday>Teague>Hill

[rastaspur]

LOL. Well for the Spurs' sake, I hope you're both wrong.

I understand the Rockets' wanting to sign a player like CP3 at all costs, and I'm not criticizing it. I sure as don't think it made them worse. All I was getting at is that I'm not sure it will make them a better team overall, considering what they gave up. Because I don't think they will be able to land another big name/talent, unless they give up even more. Morey may find a sleeper or two. If he does, it was a power move landing CP3. If he doesn't? Well, the Rockets will be entertaining in the regular season.

I hope I am wrong too. I hold no crystal ball. Can't speak to improvement or not really.

I was agreeing more from the sense that if they swing another big move I think Morey can adequately fill holes and needs with role players that fit a limited skill set which may be needed after several other pieces get moved.

If they ship out shooters I imagine he can bring one in, etc.

Morey will try anything and everything. He's like the James brown of gm's. Hardest working man in the biz.

[dylankerouac]

Would anyone take Olynyk?

[TimDunkem]

Nah. We already got a soft, 3 point shooting big manning the paint.

[DPG21920]

Same goes for Millsap, though..Millsap's biggest strength is his ball-handling and versatility for a PF IMO..Johnson is essentially a worse version of Millsap on a cheaper contract and with less mileage..

Another thing I like about him is that he's coming from the Heat, the East's version of the Spurs in terms of culture and environment..

I don't know. Millsap's ball-handling seems to be more useful with him dribbling for his own shot. Johnson's is more of legit playmaking.

[gambit1990]

i can't wait to see the rockets play.

i can't remember a team ever having two outta the top 4, 5 best playmakers in the league.

[HarlemHeat37]

I hope the Spurs don't make any significant moves, tbh..let Aldridge stay(assuming bridges aren't burnt and the reports aren't as accurate as we have heard, otherwise, I guess you have to move him asap ), maybe he can raise his value by next year's deadline and get a high pick..trade Green if you can get a 2018 1st(maybe the deadline, as well, like the Nets and Lakers got for Bogdnov and Williams)..start Murray, give Simmons the bench anchor role(if he's retained), more Bertans PT, sign a 3rd string veteran PG until Parker returns, lose in the 2nd round, let everybody else walk and start fresh..

No more loyalty contracts or feeling an obligation to players that previously sacrificed money or stats..Spurs currently have a ton of those guys on the roster, tbh..tough to maneuver as an organization that operates the way the Spurs do when they probably feel like they owe something to all those guys..

[MaNu4Tres]

I hope the Spurs don't make any significant moves, tbh..let Aldridge stay(assuming bridges aren't burnt and the reports aren't as accurate as we have heard), maybe he can raise his value by next year's deadline and get a high pick..trade Green if you can get a 2018 1st(maybe the deadline, as well, like the Nets and Lakers got for Bogdnov and Williams)..start Murray, give Simmons the bench anchor role(if he's retained), more Bertans PT, sign a 3rd string veteran PG until Parker returns, lose in the 2nd round, let everybody else walk and start fresh..

No more loyalty contracts or feeling an obligation to players that previously sacrificed money or stats..

LaMarcus already has his bags packed and ready to go. He's gone.

Even if Pop and LA made up and Pop told LA he can move in with him, Spurs won't get much at all from LA or Green at the deadline, as they would be 2-3 month rentals.

[HarlemHeat37]

LaMarcus already has his bags packed and ready to go. He's gone.

Spurs won't get much at all from LA or Green at the deadline, as they would be 2-3 month rentals.

The rental part has never affected a team's ability to get value(picks) at the deadline from fringe playoff or fringe contending teams, even as recent as last season..I don't think the Spurs have any chance of getting a good prospect for Aldridge, at this point IMO..they could probably get better value from a fringe-contender team if he raises his stock by February IMO..his on-court value is literally as low as it could possibly be, right now..

As I said in the other post, though, I hope your source and other sources are wrong about the urgency of an Aldridge trade, but you're probably correct..if they can get a high 2018 1st for him, right now, though, I would do it, regardless of whatever else accompanies it(I doubt they could even get that right now, though)..

[sasaint]

I hope Spurs don't keep Patty frankly. It doesn't make sense to draft White, and still have Forbes to develop and then on top of that Dijon and a returning from injury Tony. They are covered in PG at this point with talent. Patty has peaked and is looking to get paid. I have to disagree with you in wanting Patty back. I think Patty is gone, and I wish him well.

As for LMA, I know you are in the camp that hopes he is still here next season but he likely won't be.

All agreed....BUT Why have THREE young PG prospects? Could drafting White signal that Danny's replacement at SG is Dijon, with White slated for PG? Especially if, as you suggested in another post, the Spurs are fairly high on Forbes (higher than almost everybody on ST). Or is one (Forbes?) really fringe-player trade-fodder per the Article?

[MaNu4Tres]

The rental part has never affected a team's ability to get value(picks) at the deadline from fringe playoff or fringe contending teams, even as recent as last season..I don't think the Spurs have any chance of getting a good prospect for Aldridge, at this point IMO..they could probably get better value from a fringe-contender team if he raises his stock by February IMO..his on-court value is literally as low as it could possibly be, right now..

As I said in the other post, though, I hope your source and other sources are wrong about the urgency of an Aldridge trade, but you're probably correct..if they can get a high 2018 1st for him, right now, though, I would do it, regardless of whatever else accompanies it(I doubt they could even get that right now, though)..

If a S & T won't work, they'll dump him for cap space & small asset if they can get Millsap to commit.

LaMarcus' house has been on the market 35 days now. He literally put it on the market a week after Pop called him out. He's gone.

[HarlemHeat37]

If a S & T won't work, they'll dump him for cap space & small asset if they can get Millsap to commit.

LaMarcus' house has been on the market 35 days now. He literally put it on the market a week after Pop called him out. He's gone.

Regardless, all these loyalty contracts will be off the books for next year..no more guaranteed minutes for Parker, Ginobili will be retired, don't have to feel obligation to Green for taking less if he continues to decline as a player, no loyalty to Pau, Aldridge remaining content(if he remains a Spur), etc..Spurs have a lot more baggage on their roster than other teams..

There's no other team in the NBA that has so many off-court variables to consider when building their roster, at the moment..

[Vic Petro]

I don't get the Jrue love. People complain about George Hill being injury prone but Jrue misses a ton of time as well. His 3pt shooting percentages are also.

[MaNu4Tres]

Regardless, all these loyalty contracts will be off the books for next year..no more guaranteed minutes for Parker, Ginobili will be retired, don't have to feel obligation to Green for taking less if he continues to decline as a player, no loyalty to Pau, Aldridge remaining content(if he remains a Spur), etc..Spurs have a lot more baggage on their roster than other teams..

I agree. Not meaning to be a , but I can't wait til TP just retires. I hope he struggles and see's the light when he tries to hero his way back from this injury.

Love and appreciate him for what he's done, but its time.

[TheGreatYacht]

I agree. Can't wait til Manu just retires. I hope he struggles and see's the light when he tries to hero his way back from double digit scoreless games.

[r0drig0lac]

Anyone high on James Johnson from the Heat? He has decent numbers and is a free agent if we need to unload LaMarcus and need a solid role player.

great player, but I do not see him leaving Miami with the chemistry created last season

[r0drig0lac]

And they won't do anything about it. Durant and Iggy was recruited in the playoffs. The league Office did nothing about.

[Hoops Czar]

I hope the Spurs don't make any significant moves, tbh..let Aldridge stay(assuming bridges aren't burnt and the reports aren't as accurate as we have heard, otherwise, I guess you have to move him asap ), maybe he can raise his value by next year's deadline and get a high pick..trade Green if you can get a 2018 1st(maybe the deadline, as well, like the Nets and Lakers got for Bogdnov and Williams)..start Murray, give Simmons the bench anchor role(if he's retained), more Bertans PT, sign a 3rd string veteran PG until Parker returns, lose in the 2nd round, let everybody else walk and start fresh..

If Aldridge starts the season in a Spurs uniform, there's almost a zero percent chance he'll be traded mid-season unless he's an out of control albatross or the Spurs have a terrible first half to the season. The Spurs won't punt a season unless Kawhi goes down with a season ending injury. It also takes Pop months, not weeks to implement new players into his system so acquiring deadline players is something the Spurs usually try to avoid at all costs. If he isn't traded this off season, you can almost be assured of the fact that He'll opt out in 2018 and the Spurs will get nothing in return.

No more loyalty contracts or feeling an obligation to players that previously sacrificed money or stats..Spurs currently have a ton of those guys on the roster, tbh..tough to maneuver as an organization that operates the way the Spurs do when they probably feel like they owe something to all those guys..

Many seem to ignore the way this organization operates, which is heavily influenced by the culture they have created(which involves loyalty).

This must be your wet dream scenario because even the real you knows this isn't happening. Not sure what makes you think 2018 will be any different. It's not just the big 3. Matt Bonner did absolutely nothing for this organization and look at the nine year career he was gifted. Dude should have been making sandwiches full time by age 27. Don't act like Tony's retiring in 2018 or that Kyle Anderson won't be the next Spur to be gifted an NBA career. Changes like this require changes to personnel and I don't see that happening..

[tbdog]

How cheap could Gay go for?

https://twitter.com/WojVerticalNBA/s...19815428681728

[ace3g]

David Aldridge @daldridgetnt
5m
Will be a strong market for Grizzlies' UFA/perennial DPOY candidate Tony Allen, still an elite wing defender. Likely to sign quickly.

[LittleCriminal]

How cheap could Gay go for?

https://twitter.com/WojVerticalNBA/s...19815428681728

Id take Gay if the spurs dont make a splash by getting rid of Aldridge..
Put Gay at the 3..have leonard slide to the PG.
Gasol
Aldridge
Gay
Green
Leonard

Sounds good to me.

[rastaspur]

Would anyone take Olynyk?

If the price is right and if/when the aldridge thing shakes out and a center is needed, sure.

[rastaspur]

I will pass on gay. He has more career turnovers than assists and I just don't think he will ever accept being a role player here. His usage rate has always been to high and those things Give me pause for concern.