sucks. He should have stayed in Utah.
wow
Also Hill on that contract wouldn't have been worse than Mills at 12 mill for 4 years.
still won the trade.
Problem is Spurs had already committed to Patty and were not about to pull a Deandre Jordan and leave him hanging after an agreement.
Old guy with medical conditions? Let's sign him up!
You laugh. But RC salivating.
I would hope so but I would prefer that they start Anderson or Bertans at the four with LMA at the five and have Kawhi close halves at the 4.
The heat will put his retirement jersey next to these
If he were to attempt a come back, one of the Texas teams would make since. There would be less travel by planes (42 home games and 4 other road games in Texas. IIRC the one of the reasons for the blood clots was travel. He could easily play 50 games without having to travel all that far.
Of course, they made an insane offer to JJ Red and obviously Coach Brown's connection would have gone after Patty the same way he went after Manu last season.
thanks for the information. ....
You're assuming RC was even in on him. He's content with the status quo even though they haven't won a single western conference finals game since Tim Duncan carried them to a championship in 2014. One of the most overrated FO's of all-time.
The FO is overrated by the media and casuals. They're rated accurately otherwise
If this isn't the most perfect example of how spoiled most Spurs' fans have become, I'm not sure what is. There are 28-29 different fanbases who would gladly trade FO's with us at a moment's notice. I'm not thrilled with how our offseason has gone so far, but I also recognize that FA isn't even close to being over and I'll reserve my final judgement until more of the chips fall - especially considering that there are still many quality free agents out there and a lot of the money is drying up.
Hayward need to hurry up and make a decision already. He slowing up Free Agency. Simmons holding out for better offers which probably come after if at all.
See, that's all hindsight. Pau couldn't wait to opt in or out until after Hill's market fell. He had to make the decision by the draft. You can always agree to give him his $16 Million back for this year if you strike out; you can't reduce it if someone wants to come.
Most of this is retrospective. The Spurs pivoted to 2018 once 2017 stopped being as interesting. However, that was after Mills and Gasol agreed to stay on. Now you can dislike the Mills deal on its own merits (and I totally understand that), but I doubt you wanted the Spurs to clean house in May. I think most wanted to add Paul or whomever the rotation and maybe move LMA/Gasol for Millsap.Other than that, I'd rather have the Spurs start cleaning house. The cap-space eaten by a 6' SG is better served to make room to take in players in a possible LMA trade or on 2018 FAs. I don't care to have two "rotation players" on long term deals who don't move the needle against the only team that matters?
I don't think Parker's going anywhere, and I've expressed frustration about that for a while now. I'm not ignoring it. But I can understand why the team hasn't dumped him yet. Right now, it's not worth a first just to have him off the team. They could have traded him and 29 of draft night, but in 2018, they could have White and cap space.You're also ignoring the third pg (Parker) who won't be traded or waived.
I didn't dodge your question like you're still dodging mine. I wish the Spurs could let Pau go. Failing that, I'm a huge advocated of paying him $16 Million this year and being done with his contract. I don't think Mills has a bad contract, but I definitely wish they had taken care of their FA needs before they signed him. They seemed to have tried and failed.Again, you're dodging my question -- do you honestly thing locking up Patty at 4/50MM and re-upping Pau are good deals? Do they move the ball forward against GSW?
I think they keep the Spurs as arguably the second-best team in the league. That may not get them closer to GS, but they weren't really going to get closer through free agency anyway. They need Kawhi healthy, LMA engaged and a better play on O to do that. Losing Mills and Gasol with no replacements would have made it so much harder to even hope for an injury. It's bad enough looking at replacing Lee, Dedmon and Simmons/Green.
The important takeaway is that the Spurs tried to improve their team and failed. If you wanted them to do so, you can't complain about Pau and can't really complain about Mills unless you think Murray, White or someone making less than $6.8 Million would be a better player than Patty is, especially as the backup PG. The team needed flexibility and value from its cap holds. They got it but may have been burned by the market. It's easy to think they made a mistake now that we know what happened, but PATFO don't get the benefit of knowing the future.
A couple days days ago this guy was a Spur
I'd like to see them sign Bogut, Pau, Simmons and Chris Singleton and get ready for battle.
Miami has been home to a lot of rescue projects that have seen a second lease on their NBA career. Good for Gay if he goes there.
Not a good take for a couple of reasons.
1. In neither post volume 1 or post volume 2 is there any defense of Patty's contract. Which I don't blame you for because it's a terrible deal. You say that Mills isn't a bad contract - but - you've also conceded that they Patty doesn't move the needle against GSW. Tying up 12+MM for four years to an undersized sg who can't run the offense or play defense is, to me, a pretty bad deal, particularly when said player isn't a game changer against the only team that matters.
2. What's hindsight? RC and company clearly know that a) Parker's deal comes off the books in 18, b) Pau's old deal came off the books in 18, c) a disgruntled LMA had a player option set for 18. Preserving cap room for a push in 18 (or to absorb contracts in an LMA deal) is the answer to your "what should they have done" question -- not re-upping players (i.e., Patty, Pau) with whom we need to move on.
3. I don't think the FO ever thought 2017 was that interesting. I honestly think that the moves they're making are to open up room to re-sign their guys and roll the team back again. This has historically been what the spurs do. And it's a move I disagree with because the team has a lot of dead weight that needs to be cut.
4. This is also why I haven't dodged your question. I don't know how to be any clearer than to say: a) they should not have re-signed Patty at all, much less 4/50 and b) told Pau to opt in with the understanding that 2018 is his last year or opt out and seek opportunity elsewhere.
5. Whether you think Tony is going elsewhere or not is besides the point. He's still another pg on the roster and is another reason why Patty was/is expendable. Same goes for Manu, who you didn't account for, and will probably be back (my gut feeling).
6. We seem to agree on what to do about Pau. Which is great. But again, you're dodging my one and only question to you which is: is what the team is doing with Pau and Patty sound team building? I don't know how to be any clearer in saying that it's not.
7. This team is not second-best in the league. Even in the extremely optimistic and unrealistic scenario you've painted.
8. Finally, while I agree that the spurs believe they tried to improve their team, their approach in doing so is wrong. And exhibit A is the deal they gave Patty. You have a baseless assertion that I can't complain about Mills' deal if I wanted the team to improve -- which makes absolutely no sense. The team needed to move on from him (and Pau) and the last thing they should have done -- if they were trying to improve -- is re-up both. While you seem to disagree with this, I have yet to hear anything from you about why re-upping both players on longer deals helps this team in any way, shape, or form.
Stephen Zimmerman got waived. Would love the Spurs to pick him up for Vegas. He'd be better than any big we got now unless Milutinov plays
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