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    $6.8 Million is the cheapest cap allocation so far.
    Great.

    Wonderful.

    FOR NOW and for the worse player than Hill by far and no certainty he's any better than Teodosic

    How does his cap allocation look in years 2, 3, and 4?

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    Or i could be living in the barn..
    Ha ha ha!

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    Great.

    Wonderful.

    FOR NOW and for the worse player than Hill by far and no certainty he's any better than Teodosic

    How does his cap allocation look in years 2, 3, and 4?
    Spurs will be paying Murray and White a combined $3.5mm or less in years 2 and 3, so need to consider it all on a combined basis. Mills can also be traded - $12.5 isn't an albatross.

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    Great.

    Wonderful.

    FOR NOW and for the worse player than Hill by far and no certainty he's any better than Teodosic

    How does his cap allocation look in years 2, 3, and 4?
    So we're back to pretending like the Spurs should have known the future.

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    They already have two 6-5 play-makers, another 6-6 and, a fourth 6-7 and a fifth 6-9.
    So they're getting a short shooting guard that can hit 40% on threes except when he has a good defender with length on him, who is a poor creator for others, even as a secondary ball handler and who is a poor defender for position. I think they could have gotten somebody who checks the boxes better for equal or less. He does great dinner though.

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    $6.8 Million is the cheapest cap allocation so far.
    And they don't get much benefit of having the low number this year, do they?

    Not much difference between operating under or over? 5-6 + Room after Pau signs or mle + bae over, either way about $10 total

    if they were going to operate with his hold they should have just given him a 1/20 thank you and kept the books clean and revisit him next summer.

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    Just trade Aldridge for Melo,sign Gay and call it a day.

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    All this collection that SA is building on PG would make sense if:
    1. they didn't re-sign Patty but ok, let it go.
    2. they would trade Tony? Let it go too?
    3. Manu wouldn't come back? Also, want me to let that go?
    4. Forbes is going to be cut? Real possibility. I remember last summer JSimms' player option was picked up b4 summer league. IMO that was done to give him peace of mind so that he didn't show this act of desperation and get nervous out there, and just focused on improving, playing well and executing what coaches wanted. Forbes is in a thinner situation, do you agree?
    5. Should they keep the stockpile and do neither of 2-4, at least it is bc they expect the stockpile to develop this season while next season for sure one or both of 2 or 3 above is not going to be around.
    Yeah, I agree about Forbes. White shot him out of the saddle. I think I replied to you in another thread that I don't even want to see him on the floor anymore in SL. Give his minutes to White and Dijon (since he is clamoring for them) and even Hanlan. (I also do not want to see any more of Whittington. Jefferson, yes.)

    This year might be remembered as the last hurrah of Tony and Manu. But if they are able to bring Simmons back, why bother with Manu? He is 50-50 in my book. Moreover, Tony seems dead-set on returning, and PATFO seems committed to him. So, I guess we live with that. I honestly believe this is how PATFO has decided to do the mini-tank some posters wanted last year. PATFO is clearly focused on being able to offer Kawhi the supermax even if it means bringing the corpses back for another season. At least by the end of this season, Tony, Manu and Forbes will all be gone. This season, regardless of how many return, it looks like we are dropping back 15 and punting.

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    Or i could be living in the barn..
    You could be, but hopefully not.

    If so, I hope you pull it off like Swayze in roadhouse.

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    And they don't get much benefit of having the low number this year, do they?

    Not much difference between operating under or over? 5-6 + Room after Pau signs or mle + bae over, either way about $10 total

    if they were going to operate with his hold they should have just given him a 1/20 thank you and kept the books clean and revisit him next summer.
    Kind of agree here. Overpay him this year with understanding that he'd get less in the future, though no guarantee he'd sign for less (that'd be illegal).

    I'm also surprised the deal is an ascending deal. Why not take the hit in year 1 with lower annual values in subsequent years?

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    I would get him outside asap. Indoors is no place for a horse.
    Not indoor - inside. Good spot - shorter distance around the track.

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    So we're back to pretending like the Spurs should have known the future.
    What the is this nonsense?

    Hey, when you agree to a deal at 12:01, you are deciding to screw the future.

    Having foresight and projections is part of the process.

    I just know on some Knicks board last year there was a ChiKnick defending the Noah contract.

    "What, like you guys know the future? The Knicks wanted him, they got him, a starting center for less than 20% of the cap! You guys don't know what's out there now or in the future!"

    And on the Lakers board, ChiKobe was praising Mozgov.

    "It's not like they'll have to burn a first round pick to dump the last two years of his salary, he has a movable deal. Are the Lakers supposed to know the future?"

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    What the is this nonsense?

    Hey, when you agree to a deal at 12:01, you are deciding to screw the future.

    Having foresight and projections is part of the process.

    I just know on some Knicks board last year there was a ChiKnick defending the Noah contract.

    "What, like you guys know the future? The Knicks wanted him, they got him, a starting center for less than 20% of the cap! You guys don't know what's out there now or in the future!"

    And on the Lakers board, ChiKobe was praising Mozgov.

    "It's not like they'll have to burn a first round pick to dump the last two years of his salary, he has a movable deal. Are the Lakers supposed to know the future?"
    Bombs Alert!
    Breaking News!
    Chinook calls out "Fake News" and sues for slander.
    Attorney says "We have a good case, but you never know...".

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    And they don't get much benefit of having the low number this year, do they?

    Not much difference between operating under or over? 5-6 + Room after Pau signs or mle + bae over, either way about $10 total

    if they were going to operate with his hold they should have just given him a 1/20 thank you and kept the books clean and revisit him next summer.
    Hindsight once again. With Pau and Patty, the Spurs were trying to lock down two rotation guys while maximizing cap space. It's similar to what they did with Danny and Kawhi in 2015. Patty gave up potential flexibility to sign a long-term deal. He may have been on the market still, hoping for a Teodosic-level offer, or he could have been offered Re 's deal.

    Moving on from Patty and getting rid of Tony would have forced the Spurs to be aggressive in pursuing free-agent PGs this summer. So the talk about these late deals makes little sense, as the Spurs would have been one of those teams fighting to give Lowry $100 Million or Hill $25 Million a year.

    The Spurs did four things to address the cap at the end of last season: They got Pau to opt out, gaining several million bucks in potential room; They agreed on a new contract with Mills, locking in a rotation PG for $6.8 Million; they set up a trade with Green; and they set up a trade with LMA. Those four things combine to a max slot, Mills and Pau. Rather than getting too far down the hole the adjust if something went wrong (which is did), they managed to preserve all of next year's space other than Mills' tradeable contract.

    The contract they give Pau will be the most interesting thing to watch in terms of their pivot plan at this point.

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    Teodosic will be a bust. He comparable to Rubio, but older and slower.
    Teodosic can actually shoot, unlike Rubio. And he's only 30.

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    Just trade Aldridge for Melo,sign Gay and call it a day.
    Melo isn't waiving his NTC to play here.

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    What the is this nonsense?"
    I should be saying this to you, not the other way around. That you think Mills getting a role-player contract is the same as those other deals shows how far out of touch you are.

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    Teodosic can actually shoot, unlike Rubio. And he's only 30.
    And Rubio can play some decent D. Teo... not really.
    They're not that much alike, except for their play-making abilities and we have zero idea if he can do it on this level yet.

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    You could be, but hopefully not.

    If so, I hope you pull it off like Swayze in roadhouse.
    The name is Dalton.

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    Tim Dalton... Better known as the worst of the Bonds.
    That's why I live in a barn.

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    Going into free agency it was talked about by everybody that PG was one position of musical chairs with far fewer chairs than players. Not the position to panic and jump the gun, especially for a guy checking too few boxes. Excuse/explanation was to have a link to the past culture guy around. Sucks.

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    And Rubio can play some decent D. Teo... not really.
    They're not that much alike, except for their play-making abilities and we have zero idea if he can do it on this level yet.
    Yes, Teodosic is horrible defensively. But we can cover for that with Beverley, Tony Allen (who we're working on a S&T for)... , even Austin has shown flashes on the defensive end.

    In contrast, it's pretty much impossible for a team to cover for Rubio's horrendous shooting and what that does to their spacing.

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