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Really concerned Pop is attempting to force his "Be like Chrissy Paul" down Dejontes throat and it's jacking up his natural skills game.
Yes, I did mention them. If the FO absolutely needed a guard, they should have went with the guards that were clearly superior. Not White who's stuck in between a one and a two. Thornwell and Bacon are clearly superior at the 2 and Evans is clearly the better PG.
I would've went with Bell.
Really concerned Pop is attempting to force his "Be like Chrissy Paul" down Dejontes throat and it's jacking up his natural skills game.
So we have to wait 10 years until Curry KD Klay Dray core would be in their mid 30's while Pop and RC keep signing 37-40 years old players like Parker, Pau and Manu??
This is getting better and better
Let's wait and see how these guys do in the league and not the summer league. As great as the Spurs FO is, you aren't going to get steals every year.
Its not a sure thing they can even afford to keep that core together.So we have to wait 10 years until Curry KD Klay Dray core would be in their mid 30's while Pop and RC keep signing 37-40 years old players like Parker, Pau and Manu??
This is getting better and better
And we have always had a couple older guys on the team. Most championship teams do. It's all about who they can put around Kawhi, and once they've got some space, we'll see what happens.
Every year? The last draft steal the Spurs already made was Parker with the #28 pick in...2001.
Tell me about other steal after 2001. And don't mention Kawhi since it was a trade and a top 15 pick.
Every year is an exaggeration, but many years. And considering the flaws people mentioned about Kawhi? yea it's a steal. Who had him as the player he is now during the draft?
They've had guys come in and produce at a high level many times. Blair, Hill, Cojo, Splitter etc... They didn't all pan out with us, but considering where they were drafted, they were pretty damn impactful for us.
This space has the most spoiled fans ever, it's crazy.
And again, a trade for a #15 pick is not a steal.
Draft steal: a player acquired by a team as a LOW draft pick or undrafted who exceedes expectations
I'd say that a 15th pick performing at MVP levels is stealing one.
Seriously! Just look at this draft profile, the limitations to his offensive game and who he was compared to (Luc Richard Mbah a Moute/ Gerald Wallace)
He has been a steal for sure. Just ask Indy
The other place the Spurs FO has excelled is finding leftovers- waived players/older vets who can contribute.
DG, Mills, Simmons possibly Forbes
GSW from 2001 to 2012 had 11 lottery picks (7 top 10s 3 11s).
During this time period the Spurs had only one pick less than 26 (a 20).
Yes, exactly. Diaw too was great for us after being waived by the worst team in the league. Lee last season, etc...
We haven't had a lottery pick since 97, and look at the success we've had.
Iggy and Livingston say hi.
I can't believe we're arguing about this. Since 2014, Pop and R.C. have mailed it in. Golden State FO is running circles around them.
Whats funny is Spurs weren't even sold on trading Hill for the 15th pick (Leonard).
They called it the toughest decision they've ever made. Their conservative ways almost got the best of them again.
What's remarkable is the Spurs got a undrafted player on their summer league better than any pick GSW has made the last two years.
Kyle Anderson would be seen as Draymond lite if he was on GSW and not some irrelevant scrub that can't play like he's seen as on the Spurs.
Getting LMA was mailing it in?
I think much of that had to do with the fact they liked hill so much. Including Tim and manu
To be fair, that's likely because they only saw Leonard as a solid role player. The fact that he has morphed into a superstar is damn near win-the-lottery-for-Duncan level dumb luck.
You are mixing things up, ´14 was real for the Spurs but lets wait to ´27 to see how well GSW handle things with a core full of old farts, remember now the league pushes for young athletic guys and Curry and co wont be fast forever.So we have to wait 10 years until Curry KD Klay Dray core would be in their mid 30's while Pop and RC keep signing 37-40 years old players like Parker, Pau and Manu??
This is getting better and better
Spurs FO will have to wait on Parker and Manu, Pau took a cut but Im not happy with him anyway, now the only untouchable is Kawhi and that LMA-O should be gone.
Im pretty sure Bird felt robbed and raped.
Well, when you have been a 50 win team for 18 seasons and have made it to or beyond the WCF for 10 of those seasons with an additional 5 seasons to at least the Conference Semi Finals, the Spurs haven't had the luxury of drafting high picks. Apples to oranges comparison. Not to mention warriors ownership that is willing to put themselves in the luxury tax to the tune of 220 million in two years, which will be more than their total salary for the team.GSW and OKC are the best in the game these days in drafting talent. GSW drafted Curry, Thompson and Green. OKC drafted Durant, Westbrook and Harden.
Meanwhile Spurs keep missing out, Cojo instead of Butler, Livio (instead of buying down to get Gobert), 3 2015 draft picks all likely busts, Anderson instead of Jokic. Well Spurs have been better at developing players, decent ones but not stars.
The Spurs were up 23 points when Kawhi left the game due to injury. I really don't understand why so many people fail to understand the impact that had on the entire series. I don't want to hear about that "the warriors would have still won the series bla bla nonsense. The Spurs would have been up 1-0 having taken game one on their home court. I can't say the warriors wound not have won the series, but it is foolish nonsense to say the Spurs would not have had a chance. It probably goes 7 games.
Kawhi's injury changed the entire dynamic of the series. Who would have been the primary defender on Kawhi had he not been injured? Answer: Clay Thompson with some Iguodala thrown in here and there. So if Clay is on Kawhi, then Patty isn't getting suffocated by his defense. Who is guarding Patty then? Answer: Steph Curry. So you mean to tell me that Curry is going to have fresh legs chasing Patty all game? Without a doubt, Curry's legs arn't as fresh = less shots dropping for him.
Oh yeah, Pau and LA stunk it up, no doubt, they didn't step up. Question: Can the warriors send as many double teams from the baseline at Spurs bigs if Kawhi is still on the floor? I think we all know the answer to that.
And then there was that guy named Tony Parker, who with the exception of an 0-4 shooting night in game 1 against Memphis was 37 of 67 (52% shooting) with 93 points, before he was injured with 8:54 left in the 4th in game 2 against Houston.
The Spurs had already lost depth before Kawhi ever went down, and somehow there are delusional people on this forum who believe the Spurs never had a chance of beating the warriors. In addition, these same people think we needed to bring on Chris Paul to have a chance of competing at all in the 2017-18 season.
"The Spurs FO sucks" "The FO is paralyzed" "How can we expect to win anything with Houston now leap frogging us?" ....yada yada.
The Spurs took a low risk high reward chance with Rudy Gay, and added a 6'11'' PF/C who can move his feet and close out on shooters due to good footwork and solid lateral quickness. They are putting themselves in position to make switching on those high pick and rolls that hurt them against Houston and GS far less necessary than last season. And I have no doubt there are still moves to make. If you are expecting the Spurs to match the warriors spending, you might just want to quit wearing silver and black t-shirts and jerseys.
Oh, I almost forgot about that guy named Forbes. The guy has packed on more muscle, worked on his pg skills, mid-range game, he developed a decent floater and can score after contact. I am not saying he is the second coming of Payton, Stockton, or even a prime TP, but his improvement is most certainly evident. If he continues to work he will no longer be an "undersized" 2 guard but instead find himself as a solid slightly taller than average pg.
On the topic of Houston. I can't wait to see how that Harden / Melo / Paul combination works if the Melo trade goes down. Melo is a ball-stopping black hole on offense, and Harden needs the ball in his hands to be the most effective. I'm not saying it can't work, but egos will have to be sacrificed for it to do so, and to be honest, I just think their is too much ego to make it happen.
Last edited by callo1; 07-13-2017 at 07:48 AM.
They are blowing past the salary cap....we should do the same....if not...boycott the games for lack of guts by the front office.
I thought the AT&T Center was doing a boycott the whole time.
Bump.
Warriors making the small right moves while Spurs overpaid for 2 declined role players and a rookie who’s stuck on the bench as usual.
This hasn't been a debate since 2014. Wouldn't even have PATFO in the Top 10 list of FOs anymore.
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