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Actually, it's 4.8 times iirc.
ACA mandates that older people are only 3 times (instead of the actuary 5 times) young people - look it up.
Actually, it's 4.8 times iirc.
fine you got me there. i hate obamacare anyway, but until we have single payer were always going to be pawns for the insurance companies.
And how do you propose we get from where we are now to single payer? Do you think we should change our educational system to lower costs for medical (nurses, therapists, etc too) students, change our legal system to prevent high malpractice awards, and change what our entire medical system earns (Sweden's specialists earn about $94k pre-tax)? How else do you propose to lower costs? And this is not accounting for the cost of salaries and PENSIONS (since they are now government employees) for people to administer this single payer. Good luck convincing all those doctors, nurses, therapists, etc to earn European type salaries. What type of push back do you think the educational, legal and medical systems plus the insurance companies will put forth to prevent this?
european doctors seem to like it fine. as do europeans. many emergency medical costs will be prevented by the regular check-ins public health care would provide. ultimately we would be a healthier and less expensive population.
until then a good start to pay for it would be the billions of dollars the 1% are keeping out of the economy and out of taxes. wasnt donald supposed to do something about that?
for the rest of us, we pay for it with tax increases, which no reasonable person should have a problem with since were not having to pay insurance.
were an insanely wealthy country and the only developed nation in the world that runs itself like a third world country afraid to ask its wealthiest citizens to foot the bill for anything.
So your argument against single payer is that there will be push back from greedy insurance companies? Isn't that the point?
European doctors don't have the college/medical school debt that our doctors do. They also probably don't have to be as qualified/go to school as long as ours do. Before one could practice pharmacy with a BS - now (new ones) you have to be a Doctor of Pharmacy to practice. Everything is upped - Doctor of Physical Therapy, audiology, optometry, etc. I doubt that Europe has such high qualifications - that they have to have doctoral degrees to practice. They also don't get sued as our medical professionals do. Do you think any sane person would study for so many years/ac ulate debt/be at risk to be sued to earn less than $94k per year ($47/hr) when they could come out of high school and flip burgers for $15/hr?
european doctors seem to like it fine. as do europeans. many emergency medical costs will be prevented by the regular check-ins public health care would provide. ultimately we would be a healthier and less expensive population.
until then a good start to pay for it would be the billions of dollars the 1% are keeping out of the economy and out of taxes. wasnt donald supposed to do something about that?
for the rest of us, we pay for it with tax increases, which no reasonable person should have a problem with since were not having to pay insurance.
were an insanely wealthy country and the only developed nation in the world that runs itself like a third world country afraid to ask its wealthiest citizens to foot the bill for anything.
Those billions of $ are not an ongoing influx and cannot be counted on to sustain such a program. And for all those with employer-sponsored/government/union insurance who are paying little or nothing for their insurance, do you think they'll go along with having a big chunk taken out of their salaries (that they didn't have before) to pay for this? Are the employers gonna up our salaries to offset this?
It's not just the insurance companies - it's the schools/colleges, lawyers, entire medical profession that you'll get push back from if European style single payer is what you're going after. And our entire compensatory system would have to be adjusted or people would simply not go into those fields if higher paying fields are available to them (for less years in college/debt).
Won't someone please think of the medical schools and the poor insurance companies?
Driving is not the same as living. Just give me a real dollar figure on how much you think a self employed 60 year old should be paying every year in premiums.
$12?
TRUMP
more pointless threats and flailing from dear leader
Could you explain what Trump is talking about, Chris?
The original report came from the NY Post. They have corrected their story without comment. The words "health care" and "medical" are no longer in it.
http://nypost.com/2017/07/28/couple-...-their-deaths/
Just some overextended idiots who abandoned their kids.
Yes, he said if a new health care bill is not approved quickly, bailouts for insurance companies and bailouts for members of Congress will end very soon.
Yeah, what bailouts ore those, Chris?
Bailouts for insurance companies and bailouts for members of Congress
Could you provide any examples and amounts of these bailouts, Chris?
Is sicko Trash still pissed at the knitter for roasting Trash wonderfully at the WH correspondents dinner?
Graham/SC has new plan already this morning, still cuts $100Bs from Medicaid
Of course you can't.
It's simply made up bull you are spoon fed.
Not getting 60 votes so it's just Lindsey jacking off.
You're ing adorable. Don't ever change
others are blaming Trash for not artfully "selling the deal" to Americans to remove health care from 20M people.
Trash's inarticulate, fractured, ed up language DECODED "apparently", matching his fractured, ed up brain:
Trump threatens to end insurance payments if no healthcare bill
President Donald Trump threatened on Saturday to end government payments to health insurers if Congress does not pass a healthcare bill.
The first part of Trump's tweet appeared to be referring to the approximately $8 billion in cost-sharing reduction subsidies paid by the federal government to insurers to lower the price of health coverage for low-income individuals.
The second part of the tweet appeared to be a threat to end the employer contribution for members of Congress and their staffs who were moved from the normal federal employee healthcare benefits program onto the Obamacare insurance exchanges as part of the 2010 healthcare law.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-healthcare-trump-idUSKBN1AE0QQ?feedType=RSS&feedName=healthNews&utm _source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Fe ed%3A+reuters%2FhealthNews+%28Reuters+Health+News% 29
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"bailouts"
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