Report: Kyrie Irving Asked Cavs to Trade Him

[tholdren]

If you can get Kyrie, you get him. Aldridge isn't even happy here. Throw in whoever else not named Kawhi. The Spurs would have a hard time fielding a true contender next year (staying pat isn't a true contender either), but Kawhi and Kyrie at 25 years of age is a of a foundation to build around going forward. The Spurs will be able to attract and address the big issue through trades, free agency, waivers, etc. if they are smart about it. Bring back Diaw to fill in next year for one.

I wish Aldridge would have worked out better but wanting to keep him over Kyrie is laughable.

Lol terrible idea

[spurs10]

Touch of Evil! Love that opening extended shot.

Yeah that shot is the greatest! Orson Wells was an innovator and maker of cinema history.

[noles1983]

Lol terrible idea

Well , that convinced me not to like his idea.

[Mr. Body]

After Pau's deal I really don't want to trade Aldridge for Irving. The only way that would've made sense was because the Spurs could have gone after Cousins next summer to make a Big Three. They really can't now, so they have to get their best "Big Three" out of guys they already have on the roster. Losing LMA and Green and running Kyrie/White/Kawhi/Gay/Gasol-Chandler would be a downgrade as would squeezing Kyle in there to push Kawhi to the two. Irving is only a slightly above-average player with how bad his D is. He's not good enough on offense for the Spurs to beat GS at their own game. People talk about Kawhi being able to focus on D, but the Spurs would need his points just as much as they do now with Green and Aldridge gone and Parker hurt. He's not going to do enough to make up for losing three of the top four defenders on the team.

It makes me laugh when people think Cousins is a player a good franchise would ever want.

[SAGirl]

After Pau's deal I really don't want to trade Aldridge for Irving. The only way that would've made sense was because the Spurs could have gone after Cousins next summer to make a Big Three. They really can't now, so they have to get their best "Big Three" out of guys they already have on the roster. Losing LMA and Green and running Kyrie/White/Kawhi/Gay/Gasol-Chandler would be a downgrade as would squeezing Kyle in there to push Kawhi to the two. Irving is only a slightly above-average player with how bad his D is. He's not good enough on offense for the Spurs to beat GS at their own game. People talk about Kawhi being able to focus on D, but the Spurs would need his points just as much as they do now with Green and Aldridge gone and Parker hurt. He's not going to do enough to make up for losing three of the top four defenders on the team.

Frankly I want Kyrie but after what the Spurs did signing Mills and Pau, these trades don't make sense. For example why have Mills at 12 million per yr when the Spurs would acquire an all star PG and Mills and Kyrie are both so bad on defense that they can't play together. It's one of the main reasons I didn't like the Mills overpayment 4 yr contract.
Then you'd trade instead guys at positions of greater need and left with an undersized team.... probably made worse in its unbalance if Danny and Kyle are sent out which would be the best wing defenders outside of Kawhi and possibly losing Murray too, who IMO projects to be impactful defensively at least b4 he rounds out the rest of his game. I just don't like the team that would be left and don't think they would be better.

I tend to think the Spurs offer is more modest than offers thrown around here... but they do need a guard scorer, s we shall sed what happens. Cleveland is holding out for better offers.

[cd021]

Aldridge more than likely opts out, not so much to secure a raise, but to get similar money for 2-3 years. Players contracts aren't determined by antiquated counting stats, since those are mostly tied to cir stance. He's always been a volume scorer and the only reasons his volume is down, is because his minutes and usage naturally are on a superior team. He's still scoring with similar efficiency though.

Like sasaint said, Suns aren't facilitating Spurs' acquisition of Irving; not when they're expected to be in the mix themselves. Also, this would further exacerbate their long jam up front, while further diminishing their back court. With Knight expected to miss the season and the free agent market picked clean, they'd be without so much as a stopgap starting PG option.

Still, Spurs should obviously try. Best they can do . . .

To Cavaliers: Bledsoe, Dudley, Green, White

To Suns: Aldridge, Murray, Shumpert, Spurs '18 1st

To Spurs: Irving, Chandler

Phoenix could make a good offer without including Josh Jackson or Booker, neither of whom they want to move, but I imagine that it would need to be something like this:

Suns Get:

Kyrie Irving
Iman Shumpert


Cavs Get:

Eric Bledsoe
Jared Dudley
2018 Suns 1st Round Pick (probably in the range of 8-14)

The Suns may even be asked to throw in 2018 Miami 1st Round Pick (probably around 20) I am not sure the Suns are willing to pay that price, though I would. If they aren't, then serving as a third team may be an idea that they are receptive to.

As for the three team hypothetical that I had; swapping the destinations of Murray and the 2018 1st rounder between Cleveland and Phoenix may better suit both teams and is doable but it hinges on how Phoenix view Murray, of course. The Cavs getting a second 2018 1st rounder, in addition to getting significantly better defensively, plus Bledsoe isn't a massive drop off from Irving.

If you sub out Frye and and insert Shumpert your deal still works in trade machine minus Derrick White (who can't be included because he is less than 30 days after he signed). but I chose Frye in my hypothetical deal because his contract is an expiring and still fairly cheap, and could be flipped later. Shumperts deal is worse, and longer, but they may still be willing to take him but that may be doubtful.

[spurs10]

A Touch of Surrealism might have been a better name. I am a huge Wells fan, and this film stands out for its bizarreness like The Third Man on steroids. Dennis Weaver makes Anrhony Perkins in Psycho seem like Mr. Rogers in his neighborhood.

Exactly! Sorry folks I'm catching up on yesterday's post that went cinematic for a while.

Not sure who posted about what a long-shot it would be to be in three way trade with the Suns where they give up the best asset for us to get Kyrie, but that's right. We would need to sweeten the pot quite a bit. TD21 had the best proposal I've seen and we should be trying what we can. Kyrie and Kawhi being the same age goes a long way in making it something to strive for.

[cd021]

Submitted without comment


Kyrie Irving

(Past three seasons in Cleveland with Lebron and Love)

Offensive Rtg: 114
Defensive Rtg: 108.6
P.E.R. : 21.4
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Net Rtg: +5.4 in 34.3 minutes per game



Kawhi Leonard
(Past three seasons)
Offensive Rtg: 118.3
Defensive Rtg: 98
P.E.R. : 25.2
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Net Rtg: +20.3 in 32.6 minutes per game

[SPURt]

Lmao

Thank you for making a deposit in my spank bank. Would you like a receipt?

[Chris]

^ They did it. They got Lebron to dress up as a woman on television. Chapelle was right.

[TD 21]

Cavs aren't doing anything without getting a pick. I think just moving the Spurs pick to the Cavs would work for everyone. This would be a great trade.

Unless they can get a piece like Wiggins, I think they would do this . . .

- Maintains vice grip on East, while still having useful pieces/assets if James leaves
- Adds 2 of his buddies
- Slightly lowers offensive ceiling, but upgrades defense and increases versatility
- Rids them of Shumpert's contract, which has been a priority for a while
- Right now, White is equivalent value to Spurs' '18 1st

No matter what machination you come up with, it's not great for Suns though.

Phoenix could make a good offer without including Josh Jackson or Booker, neither of whom they want to move, but I imagine that it would need to be something like this:

Suns Get:

Kyrie Irving
Iman Shumpert


Cavs Get:

Eric Bledsoe
Jared Dudley
2018 Suns 1st Round Pick (probably in the range of 8-14)

The Suns may even be asked to throw in 2018 Miami 1st Round Pick (probably around 20) I am not sure the Suns are willing to pay that price, though I would. If they aren't, then serving as a third team may be an idea that they are receptive to.

As for the three team hypothetical that I had; swapping the destinations of Murray and the 2018 1st rounder between Cleveland and Phoenix may better suit both teams and is doable but it hinges on how Phoenix view Murray, of course. The Cavs getting a second 2018 1st rounder, in addition to getting significantly better defensively, plus Bledsoe isn't a massive drop off from Irving.

If you sub out Frye and and insert Shumpert your deal still works in trade machine minus Derrick White (who can't be included because he is less than 30 days after he signed). but I chose Frye in my hypothetical deal because his contract is an expiring and still fairly cheap, and could be flipped later. Shumperts deal is worse, and longer, but they may still be willing to take him but that may be doubtful.

- Agreed that, if push comes to shove, they should add Heat '18 1st
- There's no impetus to serve as a third team. If they still want Aldridge, they should have a good shot at signing him in a year. There's no need to gut their PG position in the process.
- Wouldn't get too hung up on White not being eligible at the moment. By all accounts, a trade isn't imminent and may not even happen until sometime between December 15th and trade deadline.
- Suns might prefer Frye to Shumpert for reasons you stated (though they have a hole at backup SG), but I meant from Cavaliers' perspective.

[jermaine]

[QUOTE=Chris;9104335]^ They did it. They got Lebron to dress up as a woman on television.
Get the black man to dress up as a woman!!! They all do it.

[spurs10]

I agree. You get Kyrie by any means and yo have two young stars to build around going forward. Getting Kyrie is contend now and definitely win later move.

Yep, DesignatedT is right. Those two young guys together would set the stage for many years to come.

[Chinook]

Slightly above average

If Irving is average what does that make parker and mills?

Parker was a WAY better defender than Irving. Kyrie is literally one of the worst in the league. , current (but not injured) Tony is probably still better. I'm totally down with "upgrading" to Irving. But the result is to win games, not to acquire talent. Had this been a month ago when the team could have pivoted to Millsap or Blake after getting Irving, then that would be one thing. But they aren't better this year after that trade. LMA with Kawhi was a better player against GS than Irving with Lebron.

As far as people counting their chickens, Irving would be a Spur for two years, not eight. If you haven't learned from LMA, choosing SA one year doesn't mean you're in love forever. Dude's forcing his way out of a team destined for the Finals and is willing go to ing Miami and Phoenix. There's no guarantee at all that he's reupping.

[tonight...you]

[QUOTE=jermaine;9104337]

^ They did it. They got Lebron to dress up as a woman on television.
Get the black man to dress up as a woman!!! They all do it.

[tholdren]

Well , that convinced me not to like his idea.

It shouldnt need any explanation.

[noles1983]

It shouldnt need any explanation.

Or you could not be ing lazy and provide a counter argument.

[vander]

Couldn't we sign and trade hanga to make the salaries match without Aldridge or parker? Green/Murray/Hanga/2 firsts is probably as good an offer as cavs will get.

[TheDoctor]

Or you could not be ing lazy and provide a counter argument.

You're taking him too seriously.

[TimDunkem]

Couldn't we sign and trade hanga to make the salaries match without Aldridge or parker? Green/Murray/Hanga/2 firsts is probably as good an offer as cavs will get.

This guy is living in a dream world.

[TheDoctor]

Couldn't we sign and trade hanga to make the salaries match without Aldridge or parker? Green/Murray/Hanga/2 firsts is probably as good an offer as cavs will get.

Hanga signed an extension w/ Baskonia through 2020.

[kaji157]

Hanga signed an extension w/ Baskonia through 2020.

The salaries working is the least of it, thou you can always find a parter for that, the problem is Cleveland wanting our package.

[Chillen]

Cavs would not accept anything less than LMA, they don't have to trade Irving they can wait it out till season starts and see if he shows up to play or even wants to play for the Cavs even if it gets messy he's under contract. If he doesn't they would have a big problem of course and would absolutely have to trade him. The fact it has dragged on this long tells me Cavs don't really want to trade Irving even if he requested it. He would have to threaten to sit out games for them to do it and it would make him look bad.

Would love to see Irving traded to Spurs per his request but the Cavs probably really don't want to trade him unless they absolutely have to. If he really wants out this is gonna get ugly.

[BatManu20]

[BatManu20]