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    free markets always sort themselves out!

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    Can't - I'm talking about able-bodied individuals - not the disabled or children. Why can't they work? If they DON'T - don't you mean WON'T - why, because we just hand it to them free? Doesn't this sound like we need illegals to do the work that Americans WON'T do - why won't they do it? Because we give them welfare and they don't need to.
    how long was your husband unemployed? Why didn't he go pick fruit instead of collecting unemployment?

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    how long was your husband unemployed? Why didn't he go pick fruit instead of collecting unemployment?
    He was unemployed for 5 months, and we have enough set aside to tide us over. I had to push him to collect unemployment since he had never in his working years collected but the break was longer than usual. Are you really comparing collecting unemployment benefits for 14 weeks to able bodied people on Medicaid indefinitely (or as long as ACA is law or forever if these spineless Repubs don't phase it out) or welfare (food stamps, subsidized housing, etc)? Unemployment benefits are for a LIMITED time - shorter for us (I guess) because it took me awhile to convince him to apply.

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    Court Ruling Throws A Wrench In Trump’s Obamacare Sabotage Plan

    States have standing to fight a lawsuit threatening billions in funding for health insurers, an appeals court said.

    attorneys general from 17 states and the District of Columbia may pursue the Trump administration’s stalled appeal of a lawsuit alleging the federal government has been making these payments illegally.

    The court agreed with the state officials that there’s reason to believe the Trump administration isn’t adequately acting on behalf of states. The Trump administration and House Republicans opposed the states’ effort.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...gEmail__080217





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    rmt, give some hard numbers on how many of your hated, detested "able bodied" people on public assistance refuse to work or look for jobs, and better, how many are white or black?

    btw, if Fed min wage was $15 - $20 / hour, the payouts in public assistance would be shifted to employers and their poverty-wage businesses that are now subsidized by taxpayers

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    Do ‘common welfare programs’ pay the equivalent of a $20.83-per-hour job?

    http://www.politifact.com/rhode-isla...lent-2083-hou/

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    I'm sorry, I missed the post where you requested a detailed plan. Care to point me to it?
    What's offered with no evidence can be dismissed without evidence. Et Tu, Brutus?

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    Just yanking yer chain, RG. . You know I'm a single payer guy.

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    He was unemployed for 5 months, and we have enough set aside to tide us over. I had to push him to collect unemployment since he had never in his working years collected but the break was longer than usual. Are you really comparing collecting unemployment benefits for 14 weeks to able bodied people on Medicaid indefinitely (or as long as ACA is law or forever if these spineless Repubs don't phase it out) or welfare (food stamps, subsidized housing, etc)? Unemployment benefits are for a LIMITED time - shorter for us (I guess) because it took me awhile to convince him to apply.
    When you have relied on the government for help you crossed the Republican line.
    You had to push him? Why did you do that?

    I have never had a government handout like that, ever.
    Shame.

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    (conveniently forgetting corporate handouts in the form of taxes)

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    an oligarchy paymaster is pissed

    Republican donor sues GOP for fraud over ObamaCare repeal failure

    http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/345364-republican-donor-sues-gop-for-fraud-over-obamacare-repeal



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    When you have relied on the government for help you crossed the Republican line.
    You had to push him? Why did you do that?

    I have never had a government handout like that, ever.
    Shame.

    Yours truly,
    Basic Republican Principle.
    (conveniently forgetting corporate handouts in the form of taxes)
    Well, your first mistake is in thinking that I'm following any Republican principle. I'm sorry to disappoint but I follow my God, my husband and my common sense. It would be foolish of me to leave money on the table that is legally available to my family especially when there's no income coming in. Do you think we would have survived all these years on one income if I didn't take advantage of what is available to me? This is not an ethical thing - unemployment is supposed to be used to tide you over while unemployed. It is a temporary thing and was used appropriately. Any attempt to shame me into guilt goes way over my head - it's like I'm not supposed to take as many deductions as possible and pay as little taxes as legally possible.

    BTW, school supplies tax weekend at Walmart was a madhouse. Very strange this year - filler paper is expensive this year (compared to the past). Things are not as cheap but very pretty - lots of gorgeous color choices in binders, duo tangs and composition books.

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    rmt, give some hard numbers on how many of your hated, detested "able bodied" people on public assistance refuse to work or look for jobs, and better, how many are white or black?

    btw, if Fed min wage was $15 - $20 / hour, the payouts in public assistance would be shifted to employers and their poverty-wage businesses that are now subsidized by taxpayers
    boutons, why does it matter whether they are black or white? "about 8 million are adults who could be subject to the work requirement yet aren't working or looking for work, according to Health Affairs Blog. Another 3 million aren't working but are searching for a job" - http://www.cbsnews.com/news/work-req...ul-or-harmful/ Seems like Maine, Pennsylvania, Kentucky and Indiana are requesting/moving toward work requirements for Medicaid.

    Now, you're going to $20/hr min wage. If this happens, businesses will hire less. Instead of having a job earning $x, some would have no job at all.

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    "8 million are adults who could be subject to the work requirement yet aren't working or looking for work"

    proof?

    "$20/hr min wage. If this happens, businesses will hire less"

    If you weren't so ignorant of the LONG, deeply studied history of Fed min wage hikes, you wouldn't spew such crap.

    a current example

    https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/8/2/1686374/-SeaTac-s-15-minimum-wage-isn-t-getting-in-the-way-of-a-boom-in-new-hotels



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    "8 million are adults who could be subject to the work requirement yet aren't working or looking for work"

    proof?

    "$20/hr min wage. If this happens, businesses will hire less"

    If you weren't so ignorant of the LONG, deeply studied history of Fed min wage hikes, you wouldn't spew such crap.

    a current example

    https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/8/2/1686374/-SeaTac-s-15-minimum-wage-isn-t-getting-in-the-way-of-a-boom-in-new-hotels


    bou, I gave the CBSnews link that I took the quote from.

    Here's a fivethirtyeight article on Seattle's minimum wage hike may have gone too far:

    New research released Monday by a team of economists at the University of Washington suggests the wage hike may have come at a significant cost: The increase led to steep declines in employment for low-wage workers, and a drop in hours for those who kept their jobs. Crucially, the negative impact of lost jobs and hours more than offset the benefits of higher wages — on average, low-wage workers earned $125 per month less because of the higher wage, a small but significant decline.

    https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...-gone-too-far/

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    If employers used less employees and paid less hours, what were the former employees and more hours accomplishing?

    iow, "I'll hire you for poverty wages, but I can do without you when poverty wages pay a bit more"

    taxpayers pay $Bs every year to Walmart's poverty wages employees, when Walmart's gross profit is $100B+ / year.

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    McConnell makes Senate Democrats an Obamacare offer they have to refuse

    "If the Democrats are willing to support some real reforms rather than just an insurance company bailout, I would be willing to take a look at it," McConnell said,

    Number one, it's not a bailout. The law requires that insurance companies provide subsidized rates to certain customers so they can afford the out-of-pocket expenses in their plans.

    Number two, those "real reforms" he's talking about is getting "Democrats to agree to

    make it easier for states to choose their own health coverage standards that insurers must provide

    rather than abiding by former President Barack Obama’s law."

    Meaning, basically the protections that everyone across the country gets in their health insurance policies

    would end for people in red states.

    https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/8/8/1687822/-McConnell-makes-Senate-Democrats-an-Obamacare-offer-they-have-to-refuse


    Last edited by boutons_deux; 08-08-2017 at 02:20 PM.

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    6.5 million pay fine to avoid Obamacare...

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    Trump hits back at McConnell for 'excessive expectations' complaint

    WASHINGTON — President Trump pushed back against Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell’s recent comments that he has “excessive expectations” for Congress, as tensions between the Republican president and the majority leader escalate over the long August recess.

    “Senator Mitch McConnell said I had ‘excessive expectations,’ but I don’t think so,” Trump tweeted Wednesday afternoon. “After 7 years of hearing Repeal & Replace, why not done?”

    McConnell said Monday Trump was creating a false impression that Senate Republicans are not effective because he’s a political novice. “Our new president, of course, has not been in this line of work before,” McConnell told a small group in Florence, Ky., this week. “And I think he had excessive expectations about how quickly things happen in the democratic process.”
    https://www.yahoo.com/news/excuses-w...173931504.html

    AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

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    Conservative commentators took a far sharper tone on McConnell than the president.

    Sean Hannity, a Fox News host who is friends with the president, tweeted Tuesday night that McConnell was a “WEAK, SPINELESS leader” who should retire.

    Lou Dobbs, a Fox Business host, dedicated a whole segment Wednesday to McConnell’s comments, blasting a graphic on the screen that read “Ditch Mitch” in giant letters.

    “He isn’t worth a doggone as I can see,” Dobbs said. “That’s what we got in the swamp, folks.”

    A McConnell spokesman declined to comment on the blowback.




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    ... in the democratic process.
    says a prick from the rigged, non-proportional, anti-democratic Senate, and who is a total to the oligarchy, while ignoring the preferences of his voters.

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    bou, I gave the CBSnews link that I took the quote from.

    Here's a fivethirtyeight article on Seattle's minimum wage hike may have gone too far:

    New research released Monday by a team of economists at the University of Washington suggests the wage hike may have come at a significant cost: The increase led to steep declines in employment for low-wage workers, and a drop in hours for those who kept their jobs. Crucially, the negative impact of lost jobs and hours more than offset the benefits of higher wages — on average, low-wage workers earned $125 per month less because of the higher wage, a small but significant decline.

    https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...-gone-too-far/
    The paper’s findings are preliminary and have not yet been subjected to peer review. And the authors stressed that even if their results hold up, their research leaves important questions unanswered, particularly about how the minimum wage has affected individual workers and businesses. The paper does not, for example, address whether displaced workers might have found jobs in other cities or with companies such as Uber that are not included in their data.

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    Jobs with Uber?

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    $15 minimum wage is ing re ed. That's why I can't stand Bernie and the rest of the Bernie Bros tbh. Would rather just have a standard Democrat like Biden who wouldn't go crazy left wing

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    $15 minimum wage is ing re ed. That's why I can't stand Bernie and the rest of the Bernie Bros tbh. Would rather just have a standard Democrat like Biden who wouldn't go crazy left wing
    There's no way it would pass through congress anyway, which is why I wasn't as worried about some of his nutty proposals.

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