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    Desperate times call for desperate measures.
    Why is the time desperate?

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    Desperate times call for desperate measures.
    Are you calling God desperate?

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    Unreal. Trump trying to obstruct justice again.

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    Unreal. Trump trying to obstruct justice again.

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    Should've tried a cookie bouquet. Everyone loves cookie bouquets.

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    Unreal. Trump trying to obstruct justice again.

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    "former federal prosecutors say there are no rules that would prevent a president from passing along messages to the special counsel through an attorney."
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ler/547917001/


    Unreal. Reck still doesn't understand what obstruction of justice means.

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    Unreal. Trump trying to obstruct justice again.

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    If Bill Clinton had done this, Republicans would have themselves.

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    Should've tried a cookie bouquet. Everyone loves cookie bouquets.
    ME ME ME!!1

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    Raiding the home of somebody who was just a volunteer to the campaign more than a year ago
    Fake news
    Trump safe space has shrunk to 38%

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    So they are raiding Manaforts home?

    Weren't they supposed to be looking into Clintons?

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    "former federal prosecutors say there are no rules that would prevent a president from passing along messages to the special counsel through an attorney."
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ler/547917001/


    Unreal. Reck still doesn't understand what obstruction of justice means.

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    Semen shielder #1 here to serve and swallow.

    I can find you another "expert" who says otherwise, you cuck.

    Let him keep sending love letters and see how this turns out. I guarantee you Mueller is saving this as memo Comey style.

    CuckSA

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    "former federal prosecutors say there are no rules that would prevent a president from passing along messages to the special counsel through an attorney."
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ler/547917001/


    Unreal. Reck still doesn't understand what obstruction of justice means.

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    Trump should meet Mueller on the tarmac using his secret John Barron name

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    So they are raiding Manaforts home?

    Weren't they supposed to be looking into Clintons?
    This raid isn't going to go the way you think this raid is going to go.

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    Unreal. Trump trying to obstruct justice again.

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    It may be unethical and/or stupid, but It's not illegal so that means its ok because he has a magic "R" behind his name.


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    People get their houses raided by the FBI all the time, sheeple.

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    trying the Clinton moral equivalence thing and eating it up like a 1980s Soviet citizen.

    PS: for the ignorant, trying to deflect from a damning issue by bringing up red herrings is exactly what the Soviets would do when they would evoke the ills of the US when came up in their own backyard. You dip s eat it up.

    PSS: Trump POTUS not Clinton.
    Whataboutism

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    -Obama administration was trying to help Clinton secure the Presidency
    -plan was to get dirt on Trump through intelligence agencies
    -Obama loosened rules for unmasking to make dissemination easier
    -first attempt for FISA warrant denied
    -second attempt using Dem paid for Fusion GPS unverified dossier successful
    -Trump team now under surveillance
    -ability to monitor and leak to press as needed
    -DNC "hacked"
    -DNC hires Crowdstrike
    -Crowdstrike sees it was an inside leak, not a hack
    -creates Russian templates/fingerprints to mimic a hack
    -Fusion GPS sets up meeting with their Russian lawyer and Trump Jr
    -DNC denies FBI/CIA/DHS access to servers to hide Crowdstrike "hack" manipulation
    -FBI forced to use Crowdstrike report
    -Russia blamed for hack
    -Trump accused of colluding with Russia
    -Trump Jr meeting used as proof of collusion
    -Trump winning s up everything
    -now all of the surveillance/unmasking/dissemination that was supposed to be swept under the rug after Hillary won is out in the open
    -everyone involved from Lynch, Rice, Wasserman Schultz, Comey, Podesta, Mook, etc trying to cover their own ass

    My theory is being tested as we speak. The focus of both intelligence committees has shifted after the testimony by Browder linking Fusion GPS directly to Russian agents. Fusion GPS co-founder Glenn Simpson testimony will further test my theory.
    Make a prediction based on this incoherent mess of a "theory".

    Define the testable elements.

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    But then, predicting what Trump will, or won't do is sort of a mugs game. He never fails to do the stupidest possible, just when you think he can't be dumber.

    The thing about a good theory though, it that it both explains facts, and you can make testable predictions.

    Fact 1:
    Russia attempted to hack our electoral process through a multi-pronged attack.

    Fact 2:
    Donald "look how big my inauguration crowd was" Trump has done nothing but deny this even happened. He has shown no willingness whatsoever to hold Russia to account for anything.

    Fact 3:
    Donald Trump has a pattern of criticizing anyone, and everyone at the drop of a hat. Allies, enemies, courts, free press, nothing has escaped his remarks and twitter feed, except for ONE/(two) thing(s), and that is Russia/Putin

    Fact 4:
    Russian efforts appeared designed to support Trump

    Fact 5:
    Trump directly called on Russia publicly to support his efforts to get elected.

    Fact 6:
    Donald Trump has gone out of his way to meet and talk with Putin privately in person, with no American witnesses. This is the only leader with which he has acted in this manner.

    Theory:
    Donald Trump has been compromised in some way. Either he directly owes them money, or they have evidence of some kind of him breaking the law or doing something he does not want others to know about.

    This theory explains those facts, and is fully consistent with observed reality.

    Prediction:
    Donald Trump will take no action personally, nor will he criticize Russia or Putin in any way in regards to the Russian attack on our elections. He may allow his underlings to do some minor, inconsequential stuff, and if forced to do anything by Congress will drag his feet, if not outright attempt to veto any sanctions.


    The way to falsify the theory:
    1) Trump criticizes Putin/Russia (good)
    2) Trump orders/takes action that materially harms Russian interests (definitive)

    Bull conspiracy theories fail very often because either: they cannot be falsified, or they directly conflict with observed reality. This theory can be falsified, and does not conflict with what we know as fact.

    Donald Trump is unpredictable except for Russia
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    He may be stupid enough to fire Mueller if Mueller starts asking questions that will expose how he has been compromised.

    If he does so, he will be impeached. The Republican party will have almost no choice at that point. Congress will find their spine, because they want to be re-elected, and Trump will have gone too far for all but the most jaded hacks.
    "Trump warns of 'dangerous low' in Russia relations"

    See Fact #3

    http://edition.cnn.com/2017/08/03/po...tin-sanctions/

    I find the use of the term "dangerous" to be somewhat telling.

    He has repeatedly shown the only thing he is ever genuinely concerned about is himself.

    At some point, if the Russians do have compromising material, they might decide to release it. From Trump's selfish perspective, bad relations would vastly increase the danger of that material being made public.

    One also has to wonder that after Trump is no longer useful to Russia, when that material will find its way into the light of day.

    Once Trump is no longer useful to Putin, then it would be in Russia's interests to release it, since the ensuing scandal would presumably damage US democracy, a chief Russian aim.

    If the material were personal in nature, i.e. tapes with pros utes, it would be pretty easy for them to release it at no cost to themselves.

    If the material implicated Russians, such as money laundering that would less likely to be released, unless of course the Russian involved were already disgraced or removed from power.

    ---------------------------------------

    This is what an active, testable theory looks like. Clearly stated, with a method of falsifiability baked into it.

    This is how you detect bull .

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    Semen shielder #1 here to serve and swallow.

    I can find you another "expert" who says otherwise, you cuck.

    Let him keep sending love letters and see how this turns out. I guarantee you Mueller is saving this as memo Comey style.

    CuckSA
    Find me an expert that says the President communicating messages to the special counsel through an attorney is obstruction of justice.

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    Find me an expert that says the President communicating messages to the special counsel through an attorney is obstruction of justice.
    I said it was. Not them.

    It is highly innapropiate and not reccommended, however.

    How can you not see that? Guy investigating you...so you decide to be in communication with that said person? A case can be made you're trying to interfere by doing that.

    Not to worry though, dont think Mueller is not keeping count of the contacts Trump has already tried to make with him.

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    Find me an expert that says the President communicating messages to the special counsel through an attorney is obstruction of justice.
    It's not. It is unusual, and borders on unethical to send unsolicited communication, especially when you are quite possibly going to be affected.

    It seems like he is either hoping to butter the guy up, or try to open some line of communication not subject to disclosure.

    Client attorney privilege is a good way to keep people from finding out things you would rather not find out, don't you think?

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    I said it was. Not them.

    It is highly innapropiate and not reccommended, however.

    How can you not see that? Guy investigating you...so you decide to be in communication with that said person? A case can be made you're trying to interfere by doing that.

    Not to worry though, dont think Mueller is not keeping count of the contacts Trump has already tried to make with him.
    Communication between Trump and his attorney is protected. If one wanted to send a message along that you wanted to keep secret, that would be a good way to do it.

    Talk about a red flag, jeez.

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    I said it was. Not them.

    It is highly innapropiate and not reccommended, however.

    How can you not see that? Guy investigating you...so you decide to be in communication with that said person? A case can be made you're trying to interfere by doing that.

    Not to worry though, dont think Mueller is not keeping count of the contacts Trump has already tried to make with him.
    You just said you would find me an "expert" who says otherwise. Can you not find one or were you just talking out your ass?

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    You just said you would find me an "expert" who says otherwise. Can you not find one or were you just talking out your ass?
    "Otherwise" being the keyword there.

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