Flynn in major trouble for speaking to Russia about sanctions

[RandomGuy]

I'd really like you to try and explain this exchange here and show how it makes any sense. If you can do so I will admit you are smarter than ducks and I will let you choose my avatar picture.

Here is your chance Reck, get all your ducks in a row and show the board you aren't the dunce it believes you to be. I am rooting for you to prove me wrong as this avatar is getting confusing when I'm conversing with RandomGuy.

I would like you to explain Trumps newest remarks.

Or answer the question:

Are Trumps statements on the forced reduction of Embassy staff in Moscow consistent with my theory?

But then, predicting what Trump will, or won't do is sort of a mugs game. He never fails to do the stupidest possible, just when you think he can't be dumber.

The thing about a good theory though, it that it both explains facts, and you can make testable predictions.

Fact 1:
Russia attempted to hack our electoral process through a multi-pronged attack.

Fact 2:
Donald "look how big my inauguration crowd was" Trump has done nothing but deny this even happened. He has shown no willingness whatsoever to hold Russia to account for anything.

Fact 3:
Donald Trump has a pattern of criticizing anyone, and everyone at the drop of a hat. Allies, enemies, courts, free press, nothing has escaped his remarks and twitter feed, except for ONE/(two) thing(s), and that is Russia/Putin

Fact 4:
Russian efforts appeared designed to support Trump

Fact 5:
Trump directly called on Russia publicly to support his efforts to get elected.

Fact 6:
Donald Trump has gone out of his way to meet and talk with Putin privately in person, with no American witnesses. This is the only leader with which he has acted in this manner.

Theory:
Donald Trump has been compromised in some way.

Either he directly owes them money, or they have evidence of some kind of him breaking the law or doing something he does not want others to know about. This theory explains those facts, and is fully consistent with observed reality.

Prediction:
Donald Trump will take no action personally, nor will he criticize Russia or Putin in any way in regards to the Russian attack on our elections. He may allow his underlings to do some minor, inconsequential stuff, and if forced to do anything by Congress will drag his feet, if not outright attempt to veto any sanctions.


The way to falsify the theory:
1) Trump criticizes Putin/Russia (good)
2) Trump orders/takes action that materially harms Russian interests (definitive)

Bull conspiracy theories fail very often because either: they cannot be falsified, or they directly conflict with observed reality. This theory can be falsified, and does not conflict with what we know as fact.

Donald Trump is unpredictable except for Russia.

He may be stupid enough to fire Mueller if Mueller starts asking questions that will expose how he has been compromised.

If he does so, he will be impeached. The Republican party will have almost no choice at that point. Congress will find their spine, because they want to be re-elected, and Trump will have gone too far for all but the most jaded hacks.

"Trump warns of 'dangerous low' in Russia relations"
See Fact #3
http://edition.cnn.com/2017/08/03/po...tin-sanctions/

This statement is consistent with the theory and was predicted by it.
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The veto-proof sanctions bill on Russia from Congress forced him to do something. His signing statement says that his administration will ignore or attempt to bypass as much as possible.
http://www.marke ch.com/story/tex...ill-2017-08-02

This action is consistent with the theory, and predicted by it.
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Trumps newest Russian statements go out of their way to be obsequious and servile.

“As far as I'm concerned I'm very thankful that he let go of a large number of people because now we have a smaller payroll,” Trump said at a briefing at his golf club in Bedminster, New Jersey on Thursday.

"We'll save a lot of money," he added.

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[DarrinS]

[RandomGuy]

I would like you to explain Trumps newest remarks.

Or answer the question:

Are Trumps statements on the forced reduction of Embassy staff in Moscow consistent with my theory?

But then, predicting what Trump will, or won't do is sort of a mugs game. He never fails to do the stupidest possible, just when you think he can't be dumber.

The thing about a good theory though, it that it both explains facts, and you can make testable predictions.

Fact 1:
Russia attempted to hack our electoral process through a multi-pronged attack.

Fact 2:
Donald "look how big my inauguration crowd was" Trump has done nothing but deny this even happened. He has shown no willingness whatsoever to hold Russia to account for anything.

Fact 3:
Donald Trump has a pattern of criticizing anyone, and everyone at the drop of a hat. Allies, enemies, courts, free press, nothing has escaped his remarks and twitter feed, except for ONE/(two) thing(s), and that is Russia/Putin

Fact 4:
Russian efforts appeared designed to support Trump

Fact 5:
Trump directly called on Russia publicly to support his efforts to get elected.

Fact 6:
Donald Trump has gone out of his way to meet and talk with Putin privately in person, with no American witnesses. This is the only leader with which he has acted in this manner.

Theory:
Donald Trump has been compromised in some way.

Either he directly owes them money, or they have evidence of some kind of him breaking the law or doing something he does not want others to know about. This theory explains those facts, and is fully consistent with observed reality.

Prediction:
Donald Trump will take no action personally, nor will he criticize Russia or Putin in any way in regards to the Russian attack on our elections. He may allow his underlings to do some minor, inconsequential stuff, and if forced to do anything by Congress will drag his feet, if not outright attempt to veto any sanctions.


The way to falsify the theory:
1) Trump criticizes Putin/Russia (good)
2) Trump orders/takes action that materially harms Russian interests (definitive)

Bull conspiracy theories fail very often because either: they cannot be falsified, or they directly conflict with observed reality. This theory can be falsified, and does not conflict with what we know as fact.

Donald Trump is unpredictable except for Russia.

He may be stupid enough to fire Mueller if Mueller starts asking questions that will expose how he has been compromised.

If he does so, he will be impeached. The Republican party will have almost no choice at that point. Congress will find their spine, because they want to be re-elected, and Trump will have gone too far for all but the most jaded hacks.

"Trump warns of 'dangerous low' in Russia relations"
See Fact #3
http://edition.cnn.com/2017/08/03/po...tin-sanctions/

This statement is consistent with the theory and was predicted by it.
---------------------------------------

The veto-proof sanctions bill on Russia from Congress forced him to do something. His signing statement says that his administration will ignore or attempt to bypass as much as possible.
http://www.marke ch.com/story/tex...ill-2017-08-02

This action is consistent with the theory, and predicted by it.
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Trumps newest Russian statements go out of their way to be obsequious and servile.

“As far as I'm concerned I'm very thankful that he let go of a large number of people because now we have a smaller payroll,” Trump said at a briefing at his golf club in Bedminster, New Jersey on Thursday.

"We'll save a lot of money," he added.

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[DarrinS]

Would've fit your theory if he said nothing, too. How convenient.

[RandomGuy]

DarrinS you have seen me fighting bull conspiracy theories for over a decade here.

I ing hate them with a blinding passion.

Do you really think I would buy into some bull theory? I went out of my way to make it simple, testable, and consistent with everything that we know. I don't have to base it on any one bit of information.

You want to roll your eyes, fine. Feel free to attempt to show me wrong. I would prefer not to believe a bull theory.

[RandomGuy]

Would've fit your theory if he said nothing, too. How convenient.

(shrugs)

All he would have had to have done was simply stood up for the US.

He chose not to.

How convenient.
















for Putin.

[DarrinS]

DarrinS you have seen me fighting bull conspiracy theories for over a decade here.

I ing hate them with a blinding passion.

Do you really think I would buy into some bull theory? I went out of my way to make it simple, testable, and consistent with everything that we know. I don't have to base it on any one bit of information.

You want to roll your eyes, fine. Feel free to attempt to show me wrong. I would prefer not to believe a bull theory.

It seems a person's willingness to fall for conspiracy depends on their level of hatred for current POTUS. Truthers were mostly people who hated Bush/Chaney.

[RandomGuy]

I have even given you the tools and method:

1) Trump criticizes Putin/Russia (good)
2) Trump orders/takes action that materially harms Russian interests (definitive)

All you have to do to prove the theory wrong, is find one of these two things.

Go ahead. Even with our cell phone, you can search.

I'll wait.

[DarrinS]

Trump signing sanctions not good enough.

[RandomGuy]

Trump signing sanctions not good enough.

If Trump had vetoed it he would have been overridden, making him look weak. So he signed, because he was forced to.

Read Trumps signing statement:
http://www.marke ch.com/story/tex...ill-2017-08-02

Today, I have signed into law H.R. 3364, the “Countering America’s Adversaries Through Sanctions Act.” While I favor tough measures to punish and deter aggressive and destabilizing behavior by Iran, North Korea, and Russia, this legislation is significantly flawed.

In its haste to pass this legislation, the Congress included a number of clearly uncons utional provisions. For instance, although I share the policy views of sections 253 and 257, those provisions purport to displace the President’s exclusive cons utional authority to recognize foreign governments, including their territorial bounds, in conflict with the Supreme Court’s recent decision in Zivotofsky v. Kerry.

Additionally, section 216 seeks to grant the Congress the ability to change the law outside the cons utionally required process. The bill prescribes a review period that precludes the President from taking certain actions. Certain provisions in section 216, however, conflict with the Supreme Court’s decision in INS v. Chadha, because they purport to allow the Congress to extend the review period through procedures that do not satisfy the requirements for changing the law under Article I, section 7 of the Cons ution. I nevertheless expect to honor the bill’s extended waiting periods to ensure that the Congress will have a full opportunity to avail itself of the bill’s review procedures.

Further, certain provisions, such as sections 254 and 257, purport to direct my subordinates in the executive branch to undertake certain diplomatic initiatives, in contravention of the President’s exclusive cons utional authority to determine the time, scope, and objectives of international negotiations. And other provisions, such as sections 104, 107, 222, 224, 227, 228, and 234, would require me to deny certain individuals entry into the United States, without an exception for the President’s responsibility to receive ambassadors under Article II, section 3 of the Cons ution. My Administration will give careful and respectful consideration to the preferences expressed by the Congress in these various provisions and will implement them in a manner consistent with the President’s cons utional authority to conduct foreign relations.

Finally, my Administration particularly expects the Congress to refrain from using this flawed bill to hinder our important work with European allies to resolve the conflict in Ukraine, and from using it to hinder our efforts to address any unintended consequences it may have for American businesses, our friends, or our allies.”

He intends on ignoring as much as he can get away with.

if forced to do anything by Congress will drag his feet, if not outright attempt to veto any sanctions.

Does this qualify as "dragging his feet" to you?

[monosylab1k]

Trump signing sanctions not good enough.

He didn't have a ing choice, and you know it. Do you honestly think he wouldn't have pursued a course to kill these sanctions if such a course was actually available to him?

[Pavlov]

Really Darrin, can you explain the disconnect between threatening nuclear Armageddon over one Washington Post story and thanking Vladimir Putin for actual provocation?

[DarrinS]

He didn't have a ing choice, and you know it.

Not only did he sign those, he didn't revoke sanctions imposed under Obuma. He's a Pootin puppet.

[Pavlov]

Not only did he sign those, he didn't revoke sanctions imposed under Obuma. He's a Pootin puppet.

Congress took away that power, Darrin. Keep trying tho. It's entertaining seeing you work so hard for Trump.

[boutons_deux]

Sessions wont prosecute anybody violating Russian sanctions

Obama should have seized all property and financial accnts owned by Russians like USA did against Iran, and put all Russian banks on the Treasury's banned list which causes all financial ins utions worldwide to do same in return salvo for Potin's cyberwar on USA.

[monosylab1k]

Not only did he sign those, he didn't revoke sanctions imposed under Obuma. He's a Pootin puppet.

I'll get you a towel.

[Adam Lambert]

I'll get you a towel.

better get two. the super absorbent kind.

[RandomGuy]

Not only did he sign those, he didn't revoke sanctions imposed under Obuma. He's a Pootin puppet.

this legislation is significantly flawed.

In its haste
a number of clearly uncons utional provisions.
in conflict with the Supreme Court’s recent decision...


outside the cons utionally required process...

onflict with the Supreme Court’s decision

procedures that do not satisfy the requirements for changing the law


in contravention of the President’s exclusive cons utional authority to

Finally, my Administration particularly expects the Congress to refrain from using this flawed bill to hinder our important work ...

hinder our efforts to address any unintended consequences it may have for American businesses, our friends, or our allies.”

[DarrinS]

More effective than sanctions would be disabling USB storage on DNC servers.

[Pavlov]

DNC

*ding*

[DarrinS]

A leak and a phish -- obvious only Russia can pull that off.

[Pavlov]

A leak and a phish -- obvious only Russia can pull that off.

Give us your evidence it was some other party, Darrin.

[DarrinS]

Give us your evidence it was some other party, Darrin.

If I can't prove it was someone else, then it was obviously Russia. Pantsuit told us all 17 intelligence agencies have confirmed.

[Pavlov]

Pantsuit

*ding*

Give us your evidence it was some other party, Darrin.

[RandomGuy]

Really Darrin, can you explain the disconnect between threatening nuclear Armageddon over one Washington Post story and thanking Vladimir Putin for actual provocation?

As noted before, I can't be the only one to notice the pattern.

Someone else, probably a lot of someone elses in the intelligence community have noticed the same thing, and reached the same conclusion:

Donald Trump has been compromised by the Russians in some way.

I think it likely that there are some efforts underway in the intelligence community to find out exactly how. Whatever they find will result in some very delicate, discreet, and indirect hints to Mueller in his efforts. Nothing that would break the law, but Mueller will know exactly where to look.

At some point, after Trump has ceased being useful to the Russians, there is a really good chance this information will come out directly.