Reagan does not like the president
Reagan argued conservatives "go nuts" when Trump does not "act conservative," but that is because the president is "really not a conservative."
"He's president of the United States, not an ideologue, and he wants to get things done," Reagan said. "He knows the art of the deal, and he wanted to make a deal to get this behind him to be able to move forward, and he was able to do that by working with [Senate Majority Leader Charles] Schumer and [California Democratic Rep. Nancy] Pelosi."
Trump Was So Happy With Coverage of Dem Debt Deal He Called Pelosi and Schumer to Gush
He picked up the phone and called the two Democratic congressional leaders,
Senator Chuck Schumer of New York and Representative Nancy Pelosi of California.
“The press has been incredible,” he gushed to Ms. Pelosi,
according to someone briefed on their call.
He was equally effusive with Mr. Schumer,
boasting that even Fox News was positive.
https://www.mediaite.com/online/trum...humer-to-gush/
... but he made a lot enemies who will be voting on his impeachment and conviction.
Stop dreaming
Some Republicans are celebrating Trump's embrace of Democrats, saying House Speaker Paul Ryan and Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell have not been productive enough.
"He's given Ryan and McConnell every opportunity to actually do something and they've clearly not been up to literally anything," Ned Ryun, who worked in the George W. Bush administration, told The Hill.
Man Trump doesn't give two s about the GOP. Besides, it's great press for him to get a Harvey aid package done quickly while reaching across the aisle as opposed to having McConnell and Ryan tack a lot of extra crap onto it knowing it's must pass legislation.
Rent free. I'm sure it was a cool story but I didn't read it. You should learn how to separate into paragraphs.
Exactly. This is the first time since taking office that Trump looked like the guy his (non-supremacist) supporters believed he would be. He hasn't done anything to "drain the swamp", but breaking from his party and doing the obvious right thing in getting the bill done without delay is the kind of middle finger to Washington politics that people wanted someone to send.
Other than this move Trump has pretty much been the guy I expected him to be (eg lazy, farming out like when he let Ryan write his healthcare bill), though worse. I expect this will be a one-off thing and he'll go right back to being a piece of again.
Yeah, so far he's been the exact wrong mix of conservative and populist. But we'll see. Seems like the most effective way of distracting from Russia that he's ever tried. So he may keep it up for a bit longer.
distraction? for a day or two, but it's already history.
Trash's big prize, as it is for the Repugs and oligarchy, is a tax "reform", aka, massive tax cut for wealthy and BigCorp, which means Trash will pocket $100Ms, even $Bs in coming years.
But Trash's ty businesses are apparently almost all "pass thru" corporations meaning he's been paying, if anything, personal tax rates, not business tax rates.
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Minds blown
In a vicious segment on Fox News, the Republican knives come out for Paul Ryan
Fox News host Lou Dobbs took his laser-focused hatred off of Hillary Clinton for one segment and aimed his white hot vitriol in an unusual place—right at Speaker Ryan.
This is something else. Because somehow, some way, Trump doing a deal with Democrats behind Ryan’s back makes Paul Ryan a RINO (Republican in name only)?
Republican House members are reportedly discussing how to get the Boy Wonder out of the Speaker's chair:https://www.dailykos.com/stories/201...tail=emaildkre
Several influential House conservatives are privately plotting ways to use the legislative calendar this fall to push their hard-line agenda — including quiet discussions about possibly mounting a leadership challenge to House Speaker Paul D. Ryan.
The group has gone so far as to float the idea of recruiting former House speaker Newt Gingrich or former Pennsylvania senator Rick Santorum as potential replacements for Ryan (R-Wis.) should there be a rebellion. The Cons ution does not require that an elected member of the House serve as speaker.
While the chances that a non-House member could mount a credible threat to Ryan are exceedingly slim, the fact that the group has even toyed with the idea underscores their desire to create trouble for GOP leaders if they believe their demands are not being addressed.
The Kock Bros want one of the s in the Freedom Kockus to be Speaker
Feeling powerful after his anti-Repug deal with the Dems, Trash making plenty of enemies in the ranks that will be voting to impeach and convict him.
Trump Just Tweeted About Republican “Death Wish” In A Friday Morning Rant
he is raking his Congressional minions over the coals for an inability to repeal Obamacare after campaign on it for seven years.
He’s right that this is a pathetic display of political inep ude —
less for the failure to deliver than the error of promising to steal healthcare —
but can you think of anyone else who campaigned on repealing Obamacare and failed?
Of course: Trump himself.
Donald J. Trump
✔@realDonaldTrump
Republicans, sorry, but I've been hearing about Repeal & Replace for 7 years, didn't happen!
Even worse, the Senate Filibuster Rule will....
7:41 AM - Sep 8, 2017
✔@realDonaldTrump
...never allow the Republicans to pass even great legislation.
8 Dems control -
will rarely get 60 (vs. 51) votes.
It is a Repub Death Wish!
7:46 AM - Sep 8, 2017
http://occupydemocrats.com/2017/09/0...-morning-rant/
Donald switching parties.
It'd actually be a good thing if he were independent
I disagree (from my pov) - he nominated Gorsuch to the SC. I'm okay with the Harvey relief - not the debt ceiling but that was the price for the speedy relief which buys Trump brownie points. Hurricane Harvey might just be the best thing that ever happened to Trump - hardly a word about Russia and Resist now.
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And I suspect that he will do the same for DACA (because he really does want them to stay) but probably Sessions has told him that he cannot pick and choose which laws to follow - he must follow all of them. I'm okay with that too but the Republicans must get something in return - I want them to do away with the automatic increase in spending in EVERY department every year. If the Republicans are smart and learn from this Harvey/debt ceiling lesson, they'll come to the table ready to negotiate or get nothing like they did this time. Either way, Trump will get credit for solving the problem.
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He already had his chance to "do the same for DACA" but decided to let that become a prolonged political fight instead. I'm going to mostly leave alone the idea that Trump cares about following every single law, since I can't see that being a constructive branch of conversation. What is will say is that I don't think what Trump did with the Harvey aid affects the Republican negotiating position too much. Harvey aid HAD to pass quickly. DACA does not. It doesn't have to pass at all. I don't think Trump will be in a position where he's desperate for a deal on it unless that becomes his main pressure point over the next few months. The GOP will be able to strong-arm the Dems into a good deal.
Why you think that should be the case is more troublesome to me. I simply can't imagine voting for Trump while also trying to push Washington strategy. What was the point in picking him if it's the same old, same old, trade lives for favors business Congress has been into since slavery was still a thing? I can understand someone rejecting DACA on principle. But to use people's lives as part of a political play should be what makes people so sick of Washington. Deport them or don't, but don't use them as trade chips.
Wouldnt surprise me. He's a life-long Democrat and he's comfortable crossing to either side. Plus he gets along with Pelosi and Schumer better than Ryan and McConnell. He's donated to Schumer more than any other politician.
Gorsuch isn't Trump's accomplishment, it's McConnell's. McConnell is the one who decided the president doesn't have the authority to attempt to fill supreme court vacancies. McConnell is the one who stole Obama's nomination, not Trump.
Maybe I was not clear in my previous post. I don't think that Trump cares about following any law (not an idealogue/stickler/Cons utionalist) but (a probable insistent) Sessions and Trump's base does and so he didn't "do the same for DACA." He wants WINS (via deals) so he has passed the responsibility along to Congress and if they do something (which I think they now will - there are enough Repubs and all the Dems will vote for it), then he just follows the law - again, that's what his base wants - to follow the law.
As far as your last paragraph is concerned - Trump promised to look out/work for American citizens which DACA people aren't. Trump's base is sick and tired of non-American citizens coming before them. Where is the compassion for all the American citizens suffering under sky-high Obamacare premiums and deductibles? And why should the conversation come back to slavery - their parents FREELY brought them here illegally. Like it or not, that's what politics (and life) SHOULD be - trade one thing for another - compromise - you can't get everything you want - give and take. DACA is not a hill I'm willing to die on and if it can get some conservative fiscal deal done - I'm all for it.
If this is indeed Trump's new strategy - it's how I envisioned he would be as President - not an ideologue (because a true Democrat or a true Republican just could not do this). By now, he has learned that these RINOs are not his friends (see that back-stabbing McCain). Pick popular "compassionate" problems like Harvey Relief and DACA - prove that he can get things done - that he's not so scary after all - keep working on getting the economy going (all with the goal of getting re-elected) - maybe corporate tax cut/repatriation and eVerify in exchange for non-criminal amnesty. After that, maybe infrastructure. This is why I voted for Trump - to get things done - no true Repub or Dem would do it because they are all too rooted in ideology or too susceptible to pressure from their party/donors - Trump really isn't - neither party is his friend - he just has to do what's good for the American people and shouldn't that be what we ALL want?
I think Trump's end game is tax reform (including ESTATE tax repeal which will affect his family greatly) and legacy. Think what the above approach and actually getting stuff done for the American people will do with the independents (which are the majority now) and the moderates of both parties.
From my pov, my end game is a thriving economy where the American Dream (opportunity/good jobs) is alive for my kids. But eight years of stacking the Supreme Court with young conservatives and hopefully pass the baton to Pence or Haley - that wouldn't be bad either. How's that for wishful thinking :-)
This hurricane must be affecting my mind - all this pie in the sky stuff. But thank God, it seems like the worst will not hit Miami/Ft. Lauderdale. Just have to worry now about ds in Gainesville.
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And Chinook, I appreciate you respectfully seeking to learn how the other side thinks. It's very refreshing - too often, one gets bashed on this board just for having a different opinion.
I give McConnell credit for delaying until the election. But it was Trump who won the election. If Hillary had won, what would McConnell have done - delay for 4 years? - he could never justify that. IMO, the nomination of Gorsuch is Trump's accomplishment.
Delaying? You mean stealing the appointment. What's another four years after refusing to have a vote on the president's candidate for one year? McConnell stealing that seat was a huge reason Republicans held their nose and voted for that fat piece of . If there was no open supreme court swing seat Trump would have gone down in flames.
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