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    are posts doubled or something? I've been burning em out it seems.

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    Maybe your right but I think what he did was best for the longterm. His coaching in the second half was more longterm
    I can't ride with you there. One of the things about "having five guys out there who know how to play" is that they aren't nearly as dirigible as other lineups would be. Their game will be the gestalt of their reactions to the situation. There isn't really a place for Pop to come in and make adjustments, because it disrupts the superconsiousness that he's trying to instill. That's a big reason why Pop usually seems inept in-game compared to the rest of his job.

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    I can't ride with you there. One of the things about "having five guys out there who know how to play" is that they aren't nearly as dirigible as other lineups would be. Their game will be the gestalt of their reactions to the situation. There isn't really a place for Pop to come in and make adjustments, because it disrupts the superconsiousness that he's trying to instill. That's a big reason why Pop usually seems inept in-game compared to the rest of his job.
    I think your overthinking it. The players made mistakes with what I assume was an emphasis to start the half strong and he took them out. Players have pride. If they are character guys they are going to care and they sure as won't want to be pulled so early again. They didn't bring the right focus and Pop felt it was unacceptable. Then he carried it on through the half to be fair. Nothing wrong with that.

    Edit: if the result is a more disciplined team than the loss was worth it. Like Manu said it's not about wins and losses but getting better every game.

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    This bucks team is going to be fun to watch. I like their peices. Still a shooter away but they’re heading in right direction.

    Think they’ll be displacing my local Wiz as my #2 team.
    I still like the Wizards better personally

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    I still like the Wizards better personally
    They talk too much ish for my liking. They are still childish. My team in the east is Detroit but Milwaukee is warming on me. Bledsoe is gonna be a difference maker in my estimation.

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    I think your overthinking it. The players made mistakes with what I assume was an emphasis to start the half strong and he took them out. Players have pride. If they are character guys they are going to care and they sure as won't want to be pulled so early again. They didn't bring the right focus and Pop felt it was unacceptable. Then he carried it on through the half to be fair. Nothing wrong with that.

    Edit: if the result is a more disciplined team than the loss was worth it. Like Manu said it's not about wins and losses but getting better every game.
    I don't think that will be the result. These are all guys who are who they are. Benching Pau isn't going to make Gasol do anything differently. Green may not drive if he's benched, but that's obviously a terrible situation. Pop does very little actually coaching during games at this point, which has been something he's been trying to get back to since the BG was a thing. It's shown up in the form of flat offense and ineffective adjustments. If you take a guy out, go over some stuff with them and put them back in, that's one thing. If you take them out, say nothing, and then look even worse with who you put it, I doubt any sort of "pride response" will kick in. It'd just make me lose confidence in Pop. Most guys on the team are experienced enough to where they'll either tune Pop out or would have improved without the benching. Less-experienced guys are a mixed bag with some like Simmons and Dedmon not taking to it particularly well.

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    They talk too much ish for my liking. They are still childish. My team in the east is Detroit but Milwaukee is warming on me. Bledsoe is gonna be a difference maker in my estimation.
    Yes Bledsoe was definitely noticeable. Sucks to see PGs dealt and immediately impact (Irving, Bledsoe) and Spurs stand pat with Patty and Tony. I’ll be with my Spurs no matter what bt they have failed to address that problem. I imagine point Kawhi was going to be the man this season. I suppose we can’t judge the team without him.

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    I don't think that will be the result. These are all guys who are who they are. Benching Pau isn't going to make Gasol do anything differently. Green may not drive if he's benched, but that's obviously a terrible situation. Pop does very little actually coaching during games at this point, which has been something he's been trying to get back to since the BG was a thing. It's shown up in the form of flat offense and ineffective adjustments. If you take a guy out, go over some stuff with them and put them back in, that's one thing. If you take them out, say nothing, and then look even worse with who you put it, I doubt any sort of "pride response" will kick in. It'd just make me lose confidence in Pop. Most guys on the team are experienced enough to where they'll either tune Pop out or would have improved without the benching. Less-experienced guys are a mixed bag with some like Simmons and Dedmon not taking to it particularly well.
    See that'd be true if he did it every game but he doesn't. He usually has much longer leashes for the casuals and less leashes for the youngins. Tonight it was just at the start of the half that he pulled Gasol and Green and made an example. It doesn't matter if we lost at that point. He wasn't trying to pull a trick out of his hat; he was teaching a lesson. If he did this every game you'd be right. We've watched the Spurs long enough to know he doesn't do this every game...

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    meanwhile Portland loses to Brooklyn

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    I don't think that will be the result. These are all guys who are who they are. Benching Pau isn't going to make Gasol do anything differently. Green may not drive if he's benched, but that's obviously a terrible situation. Pop does very little actually coaching during games at this point, which has been something he's been trying to get back to since the BG was a thing. It's shown up in the form of flat offense and ineffective adjustments. If you take a guy out, go over some stuff with them and put them back in, that's one thing. If you take them out, say nothing, and then look even worse with who you put it, I doubt any sort of "pride response" will kick in. It'd just make me lose confidence in Pop. Most guys on the team are experienced enough to where they'll either tune Pop out or would have improved without the benching. Less-experienced guys are a mixed bag with some like Simmons and Dedmon not taking to it particularly well.
    Simmons specifically said that he couldn’t play well with the constant benching and he also said in a different context that the weak can’t play for Pop.

    However I don’t blame this so much on Pop. The guys at the end made a run and got the game close after the team got behind, so I don’t blame Pops adjustments though. Rudy didn’t show up. Patty forced some jumpshots that were contested. Spurs struggled to get the ball to Lamarcus. Kyle had to force up a bad shot. Bucks were blocking shots and were difficult to deal with on defense. Pop could have used Pau a little bit more at the end imo.

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    Simmons specifically said that he couldn’t play well with the constant benching and he also said in a different context that the weak can’t play for Pop.

    However I don’t blame this so much on Pop. The guys at the end made a run and got the game close after the team got behind, so I don’t blame Pops adjustments though. Rudy didn’t show up. Patty forced some jumpshots that were contested. Spurs struggled to get the ball to Lamarcus. Kyle had to force up a bad shot. Bucks were blocking shots and were difficult to deal with on defense. Pop could have used Pau a little bit more at the end imo.
    I think the Spurs were way way too small in the latter half of the fourth.
    Milwaukee’s length was killing our small ball.

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    Kyle earning Pop's trust

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    Just got back from the game. We needed a difference-maker to pull this one out. With Rudy not coming through, we were pretty much sunk. That start to the second half was truly miserable. This team may have set a record for turnovers at this point in the season. Pop was chewing some serious butt at almost every timeout. I was sure hoping that Bryn and BP3 would seize the opportunities they had, but... alas.

    Kyle was very good all night. I hated seeing him get stuffed on his poor, final shot. Bad decision to cap the night. One thing stands out: Kyle's biggest handicap is not his lack of speed, but his lack of hops. He can maneuver into the low post very well, but without the ability to get off the floor, he looks to pass when he meets much resistance. Also, he needs to develop a good jump stop. On his drives, he needs to put himself in a position to really gather and go up.

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    Just got back from the game. We needed a difference-maker to pull this one out. With Rudy not coming through, we were pretty much sunk. That start to the second half was truly miserable. This team may have set a record for turnovers at this point in the season. Pop was chewing some serious butt at almost every timeout. I was sure hoping that Bryn and BP3 would seize the opportunities they had, but... alas.

    Kyle was very good all night. I hated seeing him get stuffed on his poor, final shot. Bad decision to cap the night. One thing stands out: Kyle's biggest handicap is not his lack of speed, but his lack of hops. He can maneuver into the low post very well, but without the ability to get off the floor, he looks to pass when he meets much resistance. Also, he needs to develop a good jump stop. On his drives, he needs to put himself in a position to really gather and go up.
    Thanks for the report.

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    Yes Bledsoe was definitely noticeable. Sucks to see PGs dealt and immediately impact (Irving, Bledsoe) and Spurs stand pat with Patty and Tony. I’ll be with my Spurs no matter what bt they have failed to address that problem. I imagine point Kawhi was going to be the man this season. I suppose we can’t judge the team without him.
    You have to give something up of significant value to get Irving or Bledsoe. Outside of Kawhi and LMA the spurs don't have any assets that could get those type of players.

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    Just got back from the game. We needed a difference-maker to pull this one out. With Rudy not coming through, we were pretty much sunk. That start to the second half was truly miserable. This team may have set a record for turnovers at this point in the season. Pop was chewing some serious butt at almost every timeout. I was sure hoping that Bryn and BP3 would seize the opportunities they had, but... alas.

    Kyle was very good all night. I hated seeing him get stuffed on his poor, final shot. Bad decision to cap the night. One thing stands out: Kyle's biggest handicap is not his lack of speed, but his lack of hops. He can maneuver into the low post very well, but without the ability to get off the floor, he looks to pass when he meets much resistance. Also, he needs to develop a good jump stop. On his drives, he needs to put himself in a position to really gather and go up.
    Thanks for the review friend. Dijon missed this opportunity as well. I thought Bryn could have played a little bit more but Manu was giving good minutes in the 2nd half and it’s obvious Pop doesn’t trust Bryn to be the PG and take some of Mills minutes.

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    Thanks for the review friend. Dijon missed this opportunity as well. I thought Bryn could have played a little bit more but Manu was giving good minutes in the 2nd half and it’s obvious Pop doesn’t trust Bryn to be the PG and take some of Mills minutes.
    I haven't bothered to look at the boxscore to know which of our three young guys was better or worse. You are absolutely right; all three missed a very good opportunity to step up.

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    I don't think that will be the result. These are all guys who are who they are. Benching Pau isn't going to make Gasol do anything differently. Green may not drive if he's benched, but that's obviously a terrible situation. Pop does very little actually coaching during games at this point, which has been something he's been trying to get back to since the BG was a thing. It's shown up in the form of flat offense and ineffective adjustments. If you take a guy out, go over some stuff with them and put them back in, that's one thing. If you take them out, say nothing, and then look even worse with who you put it, I doubt any sort of "pride response" will kick in. It'd just make me lose confidence in Pop. Most guys on the team are experienced enough to where they'll either tune Pop out or would have improved without the benching. Less-experienced guys are a mixed bag with some like Simmons and Dedmon not taking to it particularly well.


    You'd have a point if they didn't play like ....

    Pop has ALWAYS been like this..so this shouldn't be no surprised. And tbh it's this type of coaching that'll get the best out of young players that truly want to be great..

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    You'd have a point if they didn't play like ....

    Pop has ALWAYS been like this..so this shouldn't be no surprised. And tbh it's this type of coaching that'll get the best out of young players that truly want to be great..
    They had a rough patch, which Pop solidified into a loss by taking out Pau and putting in Gay. Green especially played like , but Pop was just trying to push buttons to see what worked, then the team was down like three to five points. Eventually they went down by double-digits and then he decided to stop ing things up. There was no adjustment made, just blind subs. That won't get the best out of any young player, especially given that vets were benched with only Forbes truly getting the hook and for dubious reasons at that.

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    They had a rough patch, which Pop solidified into a loss by taking out Pau and putting in Gay. Green especially played like , but Pop was just trying to push buttons to see what worked, then the team was down like three to five points. Eventually they went down by double-digits and then he decided to stop ing things up. There was no adjustment made, just blind subs. That won't get the best out of any young player, especially given that vets were benched with only Forbes truly getting the hook and for dubious reasons at that.

    Pop did the best he could imo...Spurs just don't match up with the Bucks without Kawhi and for obvious reasons. I gotta give Pop credit tho so far this year. He's really coaching his ass off and getting the best out of a team without a Top 5 player.

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