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    Ben pretty much destroys anyone who tries to debate him.

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    Darrin's email lists tried to call that sexual harassment.
    What email list? The internet?

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    Ben pretty much destroys anyone who tries to debate him.
    He talks over people. It's a tactic used by people like Bill O'Reilly, Bill Maher and others. When you have the mic, you're in charge. You learn how to say the zinger then move on. It doesn't make you right.

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    What email list? The internet?
    Sure, your internet. Only reason you know that video exists.

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    He talks over people. It's a tactic used by people like Bill O'Reilly, Bill Maher and others. When you have the mic, you're in charge. You learn how to say the zinger then move on. It doesn't make you right.
    Post one debate where he talks over someone. I've always seen him to be quite cordial unless provoked and even then maintains his cool under duress.

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    He talks over people. It's a tactic used by people like Bill O'Reilly, Bill Maher and others. When you have the mic, you're in charge. You learn how to say the zinger then move on. It doesn't make you right.
    Also much easier to debate when your opponent can't answer... see posted video

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    Also much easier to debate when your opponent can't answer... see posted video
    Kimmel has no interest in debating anyone...see posted video

    (he would get destroyed and humiliated like Cenk Uygar)

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    Sure, your internet. Only reason you know that video exists.
    I have my own internet. That’s awesome.

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    I have my own internet. That’s awesome.
    you get so pissy when you can't deny something like how you know of that video.

    That's awesome.

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    You mean like when you butted in to the conversation I was having with Aaron, insisiting that I am defensive because perhaps I am uneducated when the entire point of the conversation was that the vote wasn't decided by degree vs non-degree but from Aaron's own article:

    "But voters who agreed with the statement “people like me don't have any say about what the government does” were 86.5 percent more likely to prefer Trump. This feeling of powerlessness and voicelessness was a much better predictor of Trump support than age, race, college attainment, income, at udes towards Muslims, illegal immigrants, or Hispanic iden y."
    I wasn't responding to Aaron's graph, I was responding to your silly post about how college degrees don't mean anything because Hillary lost. Don't act like the conversation was about aspects of the graph that were brought up 4 pages later. That's disingenuous.

    You didn't even catch up, you just stepped in and tried to troll me and got your pushed in, again. Seems to be a trend with you, needing every poster on the forum to come to your rescue so you try that with others.
    Only one of us seems to notice or care who "comes to my rescue" in here. Another weird thing that bothers you for no good reason.

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    That’s one incoherent post

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    I wasn't responding to Aaron's graph, I was responding to your silly post about how college degrees don't mean anything because Hillary lost. Don't act like the conversation was about aspects of the graph that were brought up 4 pages later. That's disingenuous.
    Which isn't what I said or the conversation we were having. You just couldn't help yourself. Of course degrees matter. I've said so many times here (unless its studies then probably not).
    Only one of us seems to notice or care who "comes to my rescue" in here. Another weird thing that bothers you for no good reason.
    It's not like there's open registration here. It's the same few jackwads and you know it because you're one of them.

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    That’s one incoherent post

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    That’s one incoherent post
    The G stands for Google. Going grammar nazi on a meme - SAD!

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    The G stands for Google. Going grammar nazi on a meme - SAD!
    Yeah but what is the meme actually saying?

    Explain it for us.

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    Yeah but what is the meme actually saying?

    Explain it for us.
    No.

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    I doubt the meme maker could explain it either.

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    I don't understand how someone can think we are "going to get our freedom" back with net neutrality gone. It was never gone.

    I'm a firm believer private businesses have the very right to not be forced to make things they don't want- the whole gay wedding cake issue.

    Publicly held companies have stock holders and Boards and have to operate as the majority commands.

    Both types of businesses shouldn't have the Government dictate how they operate and whom they serve so long they operate within the law. If you the patron doesn't like it don't patronize the business.

    Getting "freedom" back that wasn't really gone is a argument. The internet started sucking when social media gave everyone a huge boost of self-importance. That was way before Net Nuetrality.

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    I don't understand how someone can think we are "going to get our freedom" back with net neutrality gone. It was never gone.

    I'm a firm believer private businesses have the very right to not be forced to make things they don't want- the whole gay wedding cake issue.

    Publicly held companies have stock holders and Boards and have to operate as the majority commands.

    Both types of businesses shouldn't have the Government dictate how they operate and whom they serve so long they operate within the law. If you the patron doesn't like it don't patronize the business.

    Getting "freedom" back that wasn't really gone is a argument. The internet started sucking when social media gave everyone a huge boost of self-importance. That was way before Net Nuetrality.
    And therein lies the problem. Most of us have two, sometimes only one ISP to chose from any more. While we can chose not to partake in streaming services, social media, etc... refusing interet service altogether is really not even an option anymore. You can't even hardly apply for a job or pay bills without internet service. These monopolies have our money regardless of what they do.

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    And therein lies the problem. Most of us have two, sometimes only one ISP to chose from any more. While we can chose not to partake in streaming services, social media, etc... refusing interet service altogether is really not even an option anymore. You can't even hardly apply for a job or pay bills without internet service. These monopolies have our money regardless of what they do.
    Correct. But I was talking about the "we lost our freedom (of speech)" with net neutrality. Don't like the way FB censors you? Post your self-indulgence on other social networks. Mad that a baker won't decorate your cake with decorations? Go buy your cake where someone will.

    I didn't mean Iss8. Net neutrality kept them in check from stealing our monies faster than they wanted to. I don't understand how people thijnk it stifled their "freedom".

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    And therein lies the problem. Most of us have two, sometimes only one ISP to chose from any more. While we can chose not to partake in streaming services, social media, etc... refusing interet service altogether is really not even an option anymore. You can't even hardly apply for a job or pay bills without internet service. These monopolies have our money regardless of what they do.
    Exactly. The internet got so ubiquitous and socially important at many levels that: 1) we're not going back and 2) there's a compelling state interest in access.

    This isn't new either. When the telephone was king, Ma Bell eventually had to be broken up (after 30+ years of anti-trust litigation). These companies are handed monopolies in exchange to providing subsidized access on non-profitable markets (thus the state fulfilling the access interest), but they don't want to be regulated like the monopolies/duopolies they are. And they fiercely fight any attempt at compe ion (look at the the cascade of lawsuits to prevent Google fiber accessing poles). That's why it's somewhat incomprehensible to watch free-market conservatives supporting market-altering monopolies/duopolies that do everything in their power to actually prevent a free-market, tbh...

    Then again, the reality is that if you left it to the free market, a lot of areas would not have internet access, and would be severely disadvantaged. So this whole thing is a lot more complex than a few politicized soundbites. Just like health and education, it's a very important topic looking at the future of the country. From being a services economy, to compe iveness, anything that puts barriers to entry is ridiculous. And for what? A few more bucks?

    Fortunately, the compe ion IS fierce in the mobile market, and I'm hoping that tech advances there will just make this thing a non issue in the long run.

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    Fortunately, the compe ion IS fierce in the mobile market, and I'm hoping that tech advances there will just make this thing a non issue in the long run.
    I had the same thought. The wired home internet connection may be going the way of the landline telephone eventually.

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    It doesn't matter whether access is wired or mobile, prices are going up, paid prioritization is ASAP, some sites will be blocked

    for wireless to the home to replace wired, $10Bs in investment in towers will be needed, since tower congestion for mobile-only is already a problem

    killing le II and passing enforcement to toothless, under-resourced FTC is the BigISP dream, even beyond what they paid PAi to do. They were shocked when he did it.
    Last edited by boutons_deux; 12-17-2017 at 08:27 AM.

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    It doesn't matter whether access is wired or mobile, prices are going up, paid prioritization is ASAP, some site will be blocked

    for wireless to the home to replace wired, $10Bs in investment in towers will be needed, since tower congestion for mobile-only is already a problem

    killing le II and passing enforcement to toothless, under-resourced FTC is the BigISP dream, even beyond what they paid PAi to do. They were shocked when he did it.
    Man, we're really doomed huh, boo?

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