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The 12 step program has a success rate of roughly 10% iirc, it’s a total scam drug treatment centers are allowed to charge way too much money for.
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine...m_source=atlfb
It's self-reported success rate of 100% is an obvious lie, and what data we do have says that no treatment at all works as good, if not better.
The 12 step program has a success rate of roughly 10% iirc, it’s a total scam drug treatment centers are allowed to charge way too much money for.
AA and NA worked for my cousin. Anecdotal evidence ftw
Well-played. I stand corrected.
he's about 8 years older than me, and for most of my life he was kinda the family up. did nothing school wise, work wise... spent most of his time drumming for what were garage bands, then went deep into alcohol/oxy. around 24/25 he went into rehab (did it at home), and has been an AA/NA regular since. totally turned his life around, got a degree in music theory, plays percussion for TV/movie sets, went full vegan/hipster, etcWell-played. I stand corrected.... he's become something of a role model and he personally swears by AA. i know stats trump anecdotes (or as shapiro would say, facts dont care about feelings), but its hard for me to pile on given that. its also true that having a really strong family/support system probably contributed as much if not more, helping him find work, have a place to live, etc
I have heard AA's success rate was more like 5%, right in line with no treatment at all. AA is such a piece of since they train you to believe alcoholism is a disease and not a ing choice. And the members are supposed to make AA their entire social life. I think I'd swallow my Mossberg if I had to go listen to sob stories from alcoholic losers two hours a night, 5 nights a week.
AA is also very close to being a religious group, so naturally is qualifies as a scam.
Hi, my name is CC and I'm not an alcoholic but I ing really like drinking.
RandomGuy triggered by a program that requires one to accept "a higher power."
Which is wrong when it's court mandated for dwi offendersRandomGuy triggered by a program that requires one to accept "a higher power."
My understanding is that the available actual data says AA is indistinguishable from no treatment, in terms of success rates, if not actually a bit worse than other treatments.he's about 8 years older than me, and for most of my life he was kinda the family up. did nothing school wise, work wise... spent most of his time drumming for what were garage bands, then went deep into alcohol/oxy. around 24/25 he went into rehab (did it at home), and has been an AA/NA regular since. totally turned his life around, got a degree in music theory, plays percussion for TV/movie sets, went full vegan/hipster, etc
What they are good at, is taking credit for successes and brainwashing people into thinking it was the program. That is part of the problem, IMO.
If it is effective, and/or more effective than alternatives, then there should be data to support that. There really isn't.
You work way too hard to get my attention, but so rarely deserve it. I am not going to bother putting you on ignore, but will stop responding to most of your posts, unless you put some thought into them. Well-meant and freely given.
That is a good point, thanks.
dont really disagree... already acknowledged it was purely anecdotal
the weird thing is he's always been an atheist as far as i can remember (or at the very least agnostic. definitely not religious or spiritual) and i never heard him mention that aspect of AA, though as the atlantic article says, the different groups are run with relative autonomy
our justice system is a scam too
It'd be so hilarious if you were really upbeat, positive and happy in real life.
i actually am. of course like most, i have my moments of being down but generally i am pretty upbeat.
btw, i have nothing against AA... if it works for some that's better than not working at all. i have 1 or 2 friends i know that it's worked for and i hope it keeps working for them.
so pissy... cheer up buttercup.
Lmao that is a depressing scenario
Lol trying to flip the script
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