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    But he knows . Some stuff that Mueller already probably knows and has collaborated through his many other interviews. If he lies or tries to cover up for Trump, Mueller can charge Bannon with obstruction of justice, perjury and so on.

    It is in Bannon's best interest to talk honestly.
    Don't pay any attention to the little guy. He's cranky and needs a nap.

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    1. Summer of 2016
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    This should keep you busy for a while


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    tldr. Kept me busy scolling past all of it.

    I assume if it meant anything you could sum it up.

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    Well, none of that jibes with the BBC article from a year ago.
    Last April, the CIA director was shown intelligence that worried him. It was - allegedly - a tape recording of a conversation about money from the Kremlin going into the US presidential campaign.

    It was passed to the US by an intelligence agency of one of the Baltic States. The CIA cannot act domestically against American citizens so a joint counter-intelligence taskforce was created.

    The taskforce included six agencies or departments of government. Dealing with the domestic, US, side of the inquiry, were the FBI, the Department of the Treasury, and the Department of Justice. For the foreign and intelligence aspects of the investigation, there were another three agencies: the CIA, the Office of the Director of National Intelligence and the National Security Agency, responsible for electronic spying.

    Lawyers from the National Security Division in the Department of Justice then drew up an application. They took it to the secret US court that deals with intelligence, the Fisa court, named after the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. They wanted permission to intercept the electronic records from two Russian banks.

    Their first application, in June, was rejected outright by the judge. They returned with a more narrowly drawn order in July and were rejected again. Finally, before a new judge, the order was granted, on 15 October, three weeks before election day.
    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38589427

    If you're talking about Carter Page -- the FBI got a warrant for him after he left the Trump campaign.

    The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court issued the warrant, the official said, after investigators determined that Mr. Page was no longer part of the Trump campaign, which began distancing itself from him in early August. Mr. Page is one of several Trump associates under scrutiny in a federal investigation.

    The Justice Department considered direct surveillance of anyone tied to a political campaign as a line it did not want to cross, the official added. But its decision to seek a wiretap once it was clear that Mr. Page had left the campaign was the latest indication that, as Mr. Trump built his insurgent run for the White House, the F.B.I. was deeply concerned about whether any of his associates were colluding with Russia.
    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/12/u...sia-trump.html

    Page himself said he was no longer part of the Trump campaign as of September 26, 2016.

    Nonetheless, calling the accusations a “distraction,” Page told me he’s decided to take a leave of absence from working with the campaign.

    “This is another distraction that’s been created here,” he said. “There’s so little time between now and the election, this is in the best interests of the candidate. It’s so ridiculous I want to have it behind us.”
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.e2a1ed422fa9

    So you can see where I may have questions about your timeline and actual targets. I have seen at least two FISA warrants for different targets that were not granted until October.

    You have one warrant granted sometime in the summer.

    I showed you all my sources. I'd appreciate seeing yours. I admit I could just be confused and unable to keep up with the sheer volume of text you have posted lately, but I'm sure you can bring me up to speed.
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    The walking lie that is the current press secretary scuttled out from her rock to claim that the "White House is fully cooperating" with Congress, while at the same time hinting that "executive privilege" means that Bannon doesn't have to answer ANY questions AT ALL.

    The White House defended consulting with Bannon's legal representatives prior to Tuesday's closed door hearing.

    “As with all congressional inquiries touching upon the White House, Congress must consult with the White House prior to obtaining confidential material,” Press Secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders said. "We have been fully cooperative with these ongoing investigations, and encourage the committees to work with us to find an appropriate accommodation in order to ensure Congress obtains information necessary to its legitimate interests.”
    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/pol...e-says-n838271


    Also from that article:


    The subpoena compels Bannon to testify before a grand jury, skipping the voluntary interview with Mueller's team that many in Trump's orbit have elected to take. But Mueller may still leave open the option for an interview in lieu of grand jury testimony. Bannon is likely to accept such an interview if it is made available, according to a source close to Bannon.

    Three people familiar with the special counsel’s investigation suggested Mueller moved to subpoena Bannon, rather than ask him to voluntarily appear for questioning, in order to thwart any potential attempt by the White House to pressure Bannon into refusing to cooperate.

    Bannon revealed he’d been subpoenaed by the grand jury when he met with lawmakers Tuesday behind closed doors on Capitol Hill, where he was questioned for more than 10 hours.

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    But he knows . Some stuff that Mueller already probably knows and has collaborated through his many other interviews. If he lies or tries to cover up for Trump, Mueller can charge Bannon with obstruction of justice, perjury and so on.

    It is in Bannon's best interest to talk honestly.
    "I honestly have amnesia, and, um... Executive Privilege!"

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    tldr. Kept me busy scolling past all of it.

    I assume if it meant anything you could sum it up.
    Too lazy to read 120 character or less tweets

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    Too lazy to read 120 character or less tweets
    Can't explain your positions anymore.

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    Well, none of that jibes with the BBC article from a year ago.
    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38589427

    If you're talking about Carter Page -- the FBI got a warrant for him after he left the Trump campaign.



    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/12/u...sia-trump.html

    Page himself said he was no longer part of the Trump campaign as of September 26, 2016.



    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.e2a1ed422fa9

    So you can see where I may have questions about your timeline and actual targets. I have seen at least two FISA warrants for different targets that were not granted until October.

    You have one warrant granted sometime in the summer.

    I showed you all my sources. I'd appreciate seeing yours. I admit I could just be confused and unable to keep up with the sheer volume of text you have posted lately, but I'm sure you can bring me up to speed.
    Let me bring you up to speed. The dates of when the FISA warrants were granted are meaningless.

    1. There was MAJOR abuse of outside contractors allowed to run 702 about queries according to the FISC audit that Dan Coates released
    2. Mike Rogers saw the MAJOR abuse (75+% non-compliance rate?!?!) and shut down the about queries
    3. The Dem paid for Steele dossier was used in part or large part to secure a FISA warrant.
    4. The FBI/DOJ was collaborating with Steele/Fusion GPS to compose said dossier

    If those outside contractors running FISA 702 about queries on American citizens with no oversight turn out to be employees of Fusion GPS do you see that as a major problem with that yes or no?

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    Can't explain your positions anymore.
    If those outside contractors running FISA 702 about queries on American citizens with no oversight turn out to be employees of Fusion GPS do you see that as a major problem with that yes or no?

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    If those outside contractors running FISA 702 about queries on American citizens with no oversight turn out to be employees of Fusion GPS do you see that as a major problem with that yes or no?
    Its pretty embarrassing you continue to not know what you are talking about.

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    Let me bring you up to speed. The dates of when the FISA warrants were granted are meaningless.
    Actually they are very meaningful since your claims and the record are wildly different.

    I know you want to go on to a different part of your latest conspiracy theory, but these are matters of fact and I won't accept your characterization of them as meaningless. They are actually critical to your accusations. One cannot be spying on the Trump campaign through FISA if Page is the only target and he's not working for the campaign anymore.

    So again, I'll ask you for the sources of your claims that there was only one FISA warrant ever granted during the course of the investigation and when it was actually granted.

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    Actually they are very meaningful since your claims and the record are wildly different.

    I know you want to go on to a different part of your latest conspiracy theory, but these are matters of fact and I won't accept your characterization of them as meaningless. They are actually critical to your accusations. One cannot be spying on the Trump campaign through FISA if Page is the only target and he's not working for the campaign anymore.

    So again, I'll ask you for the sources of your claims that there was only one FISA warrant ever granted during the course of the investigation and when it was actually granted.
    I never claimed there was only one FISA warranted ever granted during the course of the investigation. You are just making up again. And again the start dates are irrelevant to the fact that the Dem paid for Steele dossier was used to secure a FISA warrant.

    Nice job trying to ignore the rest of my post though.

    Try again.

    If those outside contractors running FISA 702 about queries on American citizens with no oversight turn out to be employees of Fusion GPS do you see that as a major problem yes or no?

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    Its pretty embarrassing you continue to not know what you are talking about.


    Are you saying the above is a forgery?

    I'll ask you again...if those outside contractors running FISA 702 about queries on American citizens with no oversight turn out to be employees of Fusion GPS do you see that as a major problem yes or no?

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    I never claimed there was only one FISA warranted ever granted during the course of the investigation. You are just making up again.
    Well, your answer to my question:

    Was there only the one FISA warrant or were there others?

    Was "yes" so feel free to say there were multiple FISA warrants or not.

    And again the start dates are irrelevant to the fact that the Dem paid for Steele dossier was used to secure a FISA warrant.
    Since you are now saying there were multiple FISA warrants -- which FISA warrant are you talking about here?

    Who was the target of this one?

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    Well, your answer to my question:

    Was there only the one FISA warrant or were there others?

    Was "yes" so feel free to say there were multiple FISA warrants or not.

    Since you are now saying there were multiple FISA warrants -- which FISA warrant are you talking about here?

    Who was the target of this one?
    Yes to others as in more than one.

    Steele dossier used for Page warrant.

    Your turn.

    If those outside contractors running FISA 702 about queries on American citizens with no oversight turn out to be employees of Fusion GPS do you see that as a major problem yes or no?

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    Too lazy to read 120 character or less tweets
    You have confused lazy, with not giving a about your walls of text. I can provide definition for "apathy" for you if you need it.

    If it was worth a you could sum it up succinctly, I'm sure. Since you can't, I have to assume at this point it isn't. I know your schtick well enough at this point.

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    Yes to others as in more than one.
    Thanks.

    Steele dossier used for Page warrant.
    So a warrant that targeted someone who was no longer connected to the Trump campaign.

    OK. Kind of ruins the anti-Trump conspiracy, doesn't it?

    Your turn.

    If those outside contractors running FISA 702 about queries on American citizens with no oversight turn out to be employees of Fusion GPS do you see that as a major problem yes or no?
    It's a major problem no matter who was doing them if there was no oversight.

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    Are you saying the above is a forgery?

    I'll ask you again...if those outside contractors running FISA 702 about queries on American citizens with no oversight turn out to be employees of Fusion GPS do you see that as a major problem yes or no?
    Assuming no to the first.

    Not enough information to answer the second meaningfully. Have to know a lot more about the access and why. Frankly this smells a lot like your other wild goose chases, always predicated on some Super Sekrit do ents that always turn out not to say what you think they do.

    Your posted do ent noted that the "access" stopped in mid 2016. Why should I care?

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    You have confused lazy, with not giving a about your walls of text. I can provide definition for "apathy" for you if you need it.

    If it was worth a you could sum it up succinctly, I'm sure. Since you can't, I have to assume at this point it isn't. I know your schtick well enough at this point.
    I'll sum it up succinctly. Your head is in the sand and there is a spot waiting for you on the tree of woe.

    Enjoy the upcoming findings released by Nunes.

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    It's a major problem no matter who was doing them if there was no oversight.
    That I can agree with. Doesn't matter who.

    We would have to see "no oversight" demonstrated first though before I would accept such a chacterization of whatever it is. A tall order.

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    Assuming no to the first.

    Not enough information to answer the second meaningfully. Have to know a lot more about the access and why. Frankly this smells a lot like your other wild goose chases, always predicated on some Super Sekrit do ents that always turn out not to say what you think they do.

    Your posted do ent noted that the "access" stopped in mid 2016. Why should I care?
    Mike Rogers saw the 702 abuse, stopped about queries, and then called for an audit.

    When did Mike Rogers visit Trump without notifying his superiors? When was Dan Coates sworn in? When did Nunes have the press conference reporting on major abuses of 702?

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    I guess I'd need to be told how Fusion GPS gets an "analytical assistance" subcontracting gig when they are more a PR firm than anything.

    And if the access was shut off in April, what does that have to do with an October FISA warrant targeting a person who wasn't with the Trump campaign?

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    That I can agree with. Doesn't matter who.

    We would have to see "no oversight" demonstrated first though before I would accept such a chacterization of whatever it is. A tall order.
    If you have time today I recommend reading the opinion of the FISC court after the 702 audit was completed. I'm reaching across the aisle and am here to help you get your head out of the sand.

    https://www.scribd.com/do ent/3495...itical-Enemies

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    READ THIS 100-PAGE COURT ORDER

    I'll pass. Has Hannity even picked up on this conspiracy theory yet?

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    I guess I'd need to be told how Fusion GPS gets an "analytical assistance" subcontracting gig when they are more a PR firm than anything.

    And if the access was shut off in April, what does that have to do with an October FISA warrant targeting a person who wasn't with the Trump campaign?
    Their about query access was gone, they needed to continue access so presented the court with the Steele dossier.

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