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some people who really understand the game already knew that, but...culture
The bad thing about Green is he can't create offense...the point is that the same exact problem is the one of Mills (with the difference that the latter is supposed to play point guard).
Ther's a reason why our offense looks instantly better when TP comes in the game, and it's not only because he's in the system from the beginning...it's that he has developed playmaking skills from the beginning of his career. Mills, Green, Forbes and Murray didn't do that...and the only one with some time to develop something is the latter (but, till now, the impression is that he's not a natural at passing the ball and play at the right pace and reading defenses).
For as awful as it can seem, the only real play makers we have on this team are two old guys (TP and Manu) and KA (for obvious reasons i'm taking White in considertion)...but, differently than Simmons, KA, for some reasons, has been considered impossible to be played in his natural role.
some people who really understand the game already knew that, but...culture
Pretty odd to call out a guy who's making less than a tenth of the cap while shooting decently and likely to get All-Defense for his second straight season. Even more odd to want Simmons over him considering the dumpster fire Jon has been this year. Unforgivably odd when Jon didn't want to return to SA in the first place.
he's also coming from injury. It's time to step up though, he's needed.
None of these are even close to being remotely true. Show me a stat that shows him even being a Top 4 defender on THE TEAM, go for it. I'll give him this.... he is shooting the backboard, front and back of the rim at a pretty decent rate though
You haven't done your Clip Art shooting splits recently because you don't like how they look. Anyway, it doesn't matter what the stats say, since I didn't mention them. The reason why he's likely for an All-Defense team is because the Spurs have the first or second ranked D without Kawhi, and Green's the only guy on the team who has a good defensive rep besides Kawhi. It also doesn't hurt that Danny is on pace to average a block and steal per game, which isn't something guards do very often.
None of these are even close to being remotely true. Show me a stat that shows him even being a Top 4 defender on THE TEAM, go for it. I'll give him this.... he is shooting the backboard, front and back of the rim at a pretty decent rate though
But let me guess: You expect Anderson or Gasol to get All-D nods instead.
it's actually shocking how few guards are capable of this
Anderson should get some buzz on defensive teams. I figure the fact he is an unknown will screw him over. When he's not on top of his game on defense the team isn't the same. (Since Kiwi isn't playing and the team has a bunch of undersized guards playing wing positions.)
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Danny has been in a shooting slump the last 8 games or so last time I looked. It has coincided with others being in slumps too, and questionable shot selection. He's had some bad forced heaves... Spurs offense has not been generating consistent good looks. He does need to pick up his level of play. Others too.
Its taking an eternity, tbfh.
How many times we heard this in the last 3 years?
I'm actually glad he worked some on his handles and he's able to do drive some without completely turning the ball over. He should do more of that.
Green’s blocking ability is all-time good for a guard. Included F-G in this list for comparison so you have context (Giannis, Durant and Dr. J, etc.). Above even Wade:
http://bkref.com/tiny/Skckz
(in before SA Girl brings up how good Kyle is on the list)
Having an elite defensive guard to pair with an elite rebounding, athletic PG will create fits when/if Kawhi is back to his old self.
(in before SA Girl brings up how good Kyle is on the list)
That's because Danny is irreplaceable
Danny is a great player to have when playing with other great players, but cannot do enough with average talent.
Na. Clanked open shots are clanked open shots. He gets plenty of open looks the scrub is just league average now at his only specialty on offense.
As for the defense.... anybody can funnel their guy to the paint.
I'm not 'calling out' Green, I'm discussing the scenarios of his free agency and the implications of that free agency result. And seeing that this thread was about his last deal, it seemed as good as any to discuss his next contract.
And if you think Simmons has been a dumpster fire with that salary ... Well, didn't you also like the Mills deal on July 1?
And I still keep seeing this "he didn't want to play here!" excuse and it's just weird to read.
What was he supposed to tell the media? "I hate having to sign to come off the bench for a crappy lottery team instead of a team from the WCF, but the Spurs refused to give me any money and now I'm stuck. I hate Orlando, but I had to get at least a little money in my career no matter who it's with.".
Of course he's going to spin that he wanted to spread his wings.
I don't see why you felt the need to address that part of my post. It didn't apply to you. If I had meant to respond to your view exclusively, I would have quoted you. The only reason why this thread is on the first page is because people felt the need to call him out.
I'm a bit confused by this. I said nothing about his salary. He's been a dumpster fire because he's a mostly ty player. He'd be a ty player at the min too. It's just who he is. The second half is a misplaced ad homenim. I could have been incorrect in predicting Mills' future value but correct in Simmons' current value. Anyways, I updated my view of the Mills deal in a recent thread either yesterday or the day before. I actually don't think much has changed when looking at the deal landscape in July compared to now.And if you think Simmons has been a dumpster fire with that salary ... Well, didn't you also like the Mills deal on July 1?
You have to know this is baseless speculation. You're projecting into him views that you want to see. Simmons was pissed that the Spurs backed out of the Suns S&T before (as far as everything reported) he asked the Spurs to withdraw his QO so he could go where he wanted. It might surprise you, but some guys would rather be big fish in small ponds. LMA almost picked Phoenix because of touches. Numerous free agents turned down the Spurs over the years for comparable or inferior deals elsewhere. Do I think money was involved? Yes. I do think had the Spurs offered more than Orlando, Simmons would have come back. Dude has a family to think about. But I also think role was the bigger part, and the lack of respect he felt by being little more than a contingency plan for a Green trade and not the new starting SG by default.And I still keep seeing this "he didn't want to play here!" excuse and it's just weird to read.
What was he supposed to tell the media? "I hate having to sign to come off the bench for a crappy lottery team instead of a team from the WCF, but the Spurs refused to give me any money and now I'm stuck. I hate Orlando, but I had to get at least a little money in my career no matter who it's with.".
Of course he's going to spin that he wanted to spread his wings.
Personally, I didn't want Simmons back really at any price. Had Danny been dealt, I would have seen Simmons as a way to fill the roster with limited resources. But Gay is a massive upgrade to Simmons, and contract-year Kyle has been consistently better than anything but the absolute best/lucky Jonathon. They miss Gay and Kawhi, not Simmons. Jon is off being the fringe-NBA player he was always meant to be without a stronger supporting cast to put him in position to succeed.
Green is such A low hanging fruit for the desperate, frustrated and deflecting fan..
DG is not the Spurs problemPERIOD
ive been saying this since last year, and ppl keep saying im a poster, until they realize what ive been saying...Danny Green isnt as good as many of you think he is...and Simmons is DEFINITELY worth more than Green given their ages and talent level...but every 30 games or so, Green has an amazing performance that solidifies him in the minds of ppl on here and apparently our FO, so he gets to stay on the team for another year...
I don't have a problem with Green or his current contract as it looks like he worked hard in the summer to come back with some new elements to his game. I was just saying that if the Spurs included him in a trade package to get back someone how might shore up some of the team's weaknesses, I wouldn't have a problem trading him. I also don't want the Spurs to overpay if they intend to bring him back next season.
When you've produced 0.0 offensive win shares thru 40 games this season, have the lowest OBPM of your career, and clank as many open shots as he's had.... you're going to get called out broGreen is such A low hanging fruit for the desperate, frustrated and deflecting fan..
DG is not the Spurs problemPERIOD
I've never seen a player more protected on this board than this scrub. It's truly amazing lmfao.
What is so odd is that the Spurs were clearly banking on moving Green for someone last year. From the White pick to the Paul acquisition to keeping Simmons on a chain. I think it would have been a bad move. But if they were going to put all their eggs in that basket, they damned should have done something with it.
I agree, but the lack of a drive and kick player can't fully explain away his inexplicable drop in 3-point shooting the past 2+ seasons. Between that and the advancing age, Spurs should hold firm at Mills money, with at most a partially guaranteed 4th season.Green is such A low hanging fruit for the desperate, frustrated and deflecting fan..
DG is not the Spurs problemPERIOD
no! he is not worth that...a good game shouldnt be a pleasant surprise at his age and experience level...let him walk
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