NBA Trade Deadline 2018

[Seventyniner]

Is it so hard to admit that the Mills and Gasol signings were bad? Are we less fans for saying that?

Again with lumping those two together. By the time the contracts matter again (this summer) Pau will essentially be an expiring. His $6M guaranteed in 2019-2020 can be stretched over 3 years

[SAGirl]

Again with lumping those two together. By the time the contracts matter again (this summer) Pau will essentially be an expiring. His $6M guaranteed in 2019-2020 can be stretched over 3 years

Also... even though Pau has been inconsistent from game to game, he has impacted the game much more than Mills. His winshare is a lot higher even with less minutes. Mills is simply not as good of a player. Gasol will be a HoF player when all is said and done and has had good moments this season.

From Mills, outside of a couple of games he got insanely hot this season (a Brooklyn game, and the initial Philly game)... I recall much more all his miscues, bad passes, on handed passes to guys feet, empty shooting nights, etc.

[objective]

Again with lumping those two together. By the time the contracts matter again (this summer) Pau will essentially be an expiring. His $6M guaranteed in 2019-2020 can be stretched over 3 years

Pau will not 'essentially' be an expiring.

How many expirings actually have an extra year at 6.7 million?

Pau's guarantee is so large that the Spurs couldn't even cover it with cash considerations to pay for the other team to cut him.

If it was a guarantee of $1 million, or $2 million ... sure.

But 6.7 million?

That's not an expiring, or a more-or-less expiring.

[jermaine]

I can't understand why in D did they keep Pau anyway!?!

[jermaine]

You know I was mad about Kawhi, but looking at Pau, now I'm not mad. Kawhi wants a to win... I can't hate a man for that. I've been spoiled by Timmy an Ginobili.

[r0drig0lac]

Again with lumping those two together. By the time the contracts matter again (this summer) Pau will essentially be an expiring. His $6M guaranteed in 2019-2020 can be stretched over 3 years

they matter now, when these two can not play against good teams

[spurraider21]

boston was done. ainge made the right move to dump the vets. KG was completely washed after the trade. there was no way they were assembling a championship team around those guys.

right now they're in as good a spot as anybody not named GSW, are loaded with young talent for the long run, and are still owed first round picks going forward...

[objective]

they matter now, when these two can not play against good teams

a good point, one people posted about before the deals were signed

They can't play against GSW. Certainly not to finish a game. , even with Kawhi next to him in game 1 WCF Mills was an atrocity and 0-6 from 3. Pau didn't even start half the playoffs, and came off the bench in games 3 & 4 against GS because he couldn't hang. Now that Houston has Paul, he might be better off the bench against them too.

Combined against Houston last night they were 2-9 (0-7 3%), with 10 points, 9 rebounds, 3 assists, 5 turnovers, and 2 steals and 2 blocks.

27% of the cap delivered that line. Why would they be much better in the playoffs?

[cd021]

Frankly... Bryn has been shooting better than Bertans, and is shooting better than 50 Mills and Tony. I'd rather keep Bryn this season if you aren't bringing in a guard who can score.

Realize Murray doesn't really score that much, he doesn't shoot on top of that, Manu is on minutes limitations, 50 Mills is in a complacent mode bc he got paid and maybe needs a wake up call like Danny, (btw how is it that Danny gets yelled at and gets benched, yet 50 Mills is so brash as to state he got paid for the past and there is no pressure? and this dude is supposed to be a leader? GTFO Pop).... Tony is just washed up.

I flat out hate watching Forbes play and despite his good shooting numbers, I still would much rather have Willie and keep Davis than have Willie and keep Forbes. He seems destined to walk in FA, if there is any way to swap him for an undervalued, young big, with years remaining on his deal then I am all for that

[Leetonidas]

Boston is a much harder opponents and a much better fit against GSW.

They will get swept and blown out in every game if they make it to the finals. So it doesn't matter if they matchup better in theory. Marcus Smart and Jason Tatum aren't stopping Curry and Durant

[Leetonidas]

Gasol.. Pop has wanted him for years. Notoriously didn't want to sign with the Spurs, was it in 2014? He got more money in Chicago. Pop still wanted him and when Timmy retired, Pop wasn't really ready to embrace an era that was more perimeter oriented and he wanted 2 bigs. To be fair, Pop likes Durant's game but he chose to go to GSW.

HIs initial contract was signed in the summer of 2016, a year that many foolish and over the top contracts were handed out to roleplayers. I thought the Spurs giving him his deal for just 2 seasons was a great way for them to have handled the ridiculous prices and contracts given out in 2016... but of course, then they went and splashed up 2 seasons on top of it.

His random infatuation with a 2 big lineup makes no sense either considering for the longest time he had players like Horry/Bonner/Diaw playing next to Tim or Tiago who is a mobile big that can switch on the perimeter. I have no idea why he has a hard on for slow bigs now.

[Ice009]

First, the team may have agreed to waive set-off rights (this is usual in buyouts). Second, even if set-off rights weren't waived, he only has to give up half of whatever he makes over the min.

Can you explain this in further detail? What are set-off rights?

[Chinook]

Can you explain this in further detail? What are set-off rights?

So whenever a team waives a player with guaranteed salary, they are allowed to set-off money based on that player's next contract, provided it's for a period previously covered by guaranteed money). So like if the Spurs waived Mills, they could set-off compensation he got over this season and the next three. Any money that gets set-off is money the previous team doesn't have to pay their former player. The amount a team can set off is equal to half of whatever that player makes over the minimum. So if a player who has $5 Million guaranteed is waived, and then that player signs at another team for the same $5 Million, then the first team is allowed to set off half of $5 Million-min. If the min is a cool million, the team can set off $2 Million (five minus one equaling four and four divided by two equaling two).

That's probably pretty clunky. It doesn't often come up, because in the two most common cases where guys are waive, they're either owed the min or less (in which case set-off doesn't come into effect) or it's a buyout situation where teams usually waive set-off rights in exchange for the player giving up some money.

[Snaq O'Meal]

His random infatuation with a 2 big lineup makes no sense either considering for the longest time he had players like Horry/Bonner/Diaw playing next to Tim or Tiago who is a mobile big that can switch on the perimeter. I have no idea why he has a hard on for slow bigs now.

Poop tends to copy opponents that knocked the Spurs out of the playoffs. After Olajuwon + 4 outside shooters knocked out the Spurs, we saw the copycat 4-down plays with floor spacers during Duncan’s prime years. After OKC’s moustached brothers pushed Poop’s in, we now have our own 2-big lineups.

[Ice009]

So whenever a team waives a player with guaranteed salary, they are allowed to set-off money based on that player's next contract, provided it's for a period previously covered by guaranteed money). So like if the Spurs waived Mills, they could set-off compensation he got over this season and the next three. Any money that gets set-off is money the previous team doesn't have to pay their former player. The amount a team can set off is equal to half of whatever that player makes over the minimum. So if a player who has $5 Million guaranteed is waived, and then that player signs at another team for the same $5 Million, then the first team is allowed to set off half of $5 Million-min. If the min is a cool million, the team can set off $2 Million (five minus one equaling four and four divided by two equaling two).

That's probably pretty clunky. It doesn't often come up, because in the two most common cases where guys are waive, they're either owed the min or less (in which case set-off doesn't come into effect) or it's a buyout situation where teams usually waive set-off rights in exchange for the player giving up some money.

Cool. Thanks for explanation. I didn't know you could do that.

[cjw]

Pau will not 'essentially' be an expiring.

How many expirings actually have an extra year at 6.7 million?

Pau's guarantee is so large that the Spurs couldn't even cover it with cash considerations to pay for the other team to cut him.

If it was a guarantee of $1 million, or $2 million ... sure.

But 6.7 million?

That's not an expiring, or a more-or-less expiring.

Not just that, but there’s a big difference between having a deal that expires at the end of the season on July 1 (start of league year) and the start of the season or heck, even August 1. Kills cap space the time of year it matters most while later it can be used in a deal.

The $6.7 million guarantee is only valuable if the Spurs are trying to add a player who makes a lot more from a team looking to shed salary with waiving him. Takes a very specific cir stance. This is not the Brendan Haywood contract of a few years ago as you correctly note.

[NASpurs]

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

The $6.7 million guarantee is only valuable if the Spurs are trying to add a player who makes a lot more from a team looking to shed salary with waiving him. Takes a very specific cir stance. This is not the Brendan Haywood contract of a few years ago as you correctly note.

Pretty sure in the new CBA players can be traded only with the guaranteed value of their contracts, so that loophole no longer exists.

[Chinook]

Pretty sure in the new CBA players can be traded only with the guaranteed value of their contracts, so that loophole no longer exists.

Only if traded in his final year. If treated as a psuedo-expiring next season, he can be traded as normal. Not even sure if the restrictions even kick in for draft-day trades

[Ice009]

Only if traded in his final year. If treated as a psuedo-expiring next season, he can be traded as normal. Not even sure if the restrictions even kick in for draft-day trades

Interesting. So are you saying that you might be able to trade him after the draft, but before free agency begins at the full contract value? Does his trade value decrease to 6M when free agency starts next year (2019 free agency)?

[Chinook]

Interesting. So are you saying that you might be able to trade him after the draft, but before free agency begins at the full contract value? Does his trade value decrease to 6M when free agency starts next year (2019 free agency)?

I'm not sure when the official cutoff is. It well could be after next year's deadline. I'm just saying it might be possible to do such a trade.

[tbdog]

Aaron Gordon could be had if we take on Biyomba. It would take two 1sts though, Green and Parker/Mills.

[spursistan]

Adrian Wojnarowski‏ @wojespn
League sources say the Spurs have been actively exploring the market of Mills whom they signed to a 4-year, 52 millions deal last summer. According to a source, teams are for now holding out on including a 2020 late second round pick along with the bag of chips San Antonio have been asking for in potential trade package for their 29 year-old Aussie Guard..

Adrian Wojnarowski‏ @wojespn
But one source said the Spurs could include a cultural sweetener to complete the deal before deadline: The original 2013 team towel with which Mills used to wave his teammates on their way to a Finals run that season..

[r0drig0lac]

Adrian Wojnarowski‏ @wojespn
League sources say the Spurs have been actively exploring the market of Mills whom they signed to a 4-year, 52 millions deal last summer. According to a source, teams are for now holding out on including a 2020 late second round pick along with the bag of chips San Antonio have been asking for in potential trade package for their 29 year-old Aussie Guard..

Adrian Wojnarowski‏ @wojespn
But one source said the Spurs could include a cultural sweetener to complete the deal before deadline: The original 2013 team towel with which Mills used to wave his teammates on their way to a Finals run that season..

THANKS GOD

[CGD]

Adrian Wojnarowski‏ @wojespn
League sources say the Spurs have been actively exploring the market of Mills whom they signed to a 4-year, 52 millions deal last summer. According to a source, teams are for now holding out on including a 2020 late second round pick along with the bag of chips San Antonio have been asking for in potential trade package for their 29 year-old Aussie Guard..

Adrian Wojnarowski‏ @wojespn
But one source said the Spurs could include a cultural sweetener to complete the deal before deadline: The original 2013 team towel with which Mills used to wave his teammates on their way to a Finals run that season..

LOL!!