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    Nook is handling scrubs, I see
    You are on the semen slurping business now?

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    You are on the semen slurping business now?

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    Our role players exceeded my expectations the last two games. It was up to Kawhi, LMA and starters to finish the games. And if they come back healthy after the ASG, I really think we got a good chance, granted they get enough playing time to gel together.
    Spurs' role players(Green, Kyle, Manu, Parker, Mills, Bertans, Murray) are top tier, tbh..their metrics match up well with virtually any other team in the league..they could use better shooting(although this is tough with the lack of creators) and a better big man, but their overall impact matches up well with most teams..

    This forum seems to believe that the role players are the problem, but the reality is that the Spurs are lacking at least one more high-end piece, which would ideally be a guard..the Warriors have Klay Thompson and Draymond to compliment Curry/Durant and the Rockets have Capela and Gordon around Paul/Harden..there's really nothing special about Ariza/Tucker/Mbah a Moute/Anderson/Nene or washed-up Iguodala and Livingston/West/Casspi/Young/Bell..

    Spurs have a huge gap in talent between Leonard/Aldridge and the role players, though, there's nothing in-between..the talent issue and roster imbalance would all be solved with a high-end 3rd option guard like Kemba Walker..

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    The son? Golden State last season didn't change it's rotation one bit and the Rockets were happily letting Aldridge go one on one on Harden without doubling because that's what they wanted, for the Spurs to post up.

    And lastly, I can't believe you are denying that last thing. I don't know in which thread it was and I'm too lazy to do a hard search but I will see if I can find it with a quick one.
    The Warriors went away from their "death lineup" until Kawhi went out and they could triple-team LMA. As far as Houston goes, mentioning them is weird because a) They totally tried to play big until Nene got hurt and Capela proved to be incompetent in trying to check Aldridge and b) they lost pretty handily once the Aldridge got used to going at Harden without hitting him too hard and getting called for a charge.

    I'm not completely denying that I laughed at a post in which you said something to that effect. We've disagreed on a number of things over the years. However, I have never insisted that LMA be a power-forward for the team. You've accused me multiple times of having that stance, but pretty much since Tim got hurt the final time, I've been keen on the team just getting the best guy next to him they could (while upgrading at the guard spot), whether that be a center or a small-ball big.

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    Spurs have a huge gap in talent between Leonard/Aldridge and the role players, though, there's nothing in-between..the talent issue and roster imbalance would all be solved with a high-end 3rd option guard like Kemba Walker..
    Yeah, getting that third player while keeping Green, LMA and Kawhi was worth potentially making a Billy King deal. I just can't think of anyone besides Walker who could fulfill that role. Anyone remotely talented enough is making too much money to be viable.

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    Spurs' role players(Green, Kyle, Manu, Parker, Mills, Bertans, Murray) are top tier, tbh..their metrics match up well with virtually any other team in the league..they could use better shooting(although this is tough with the lack of creators) and a better big man, but their overall impact matches up well with most teams..

    This forum seems to believe that the role players are the problem, but the reality is that the Spurs are lacking at least one more high-end piece, which would ideally be a guard..the Warriors have Klay Thompson and Draymond to compliment Curry/Durant and the Rockets have Capela and Gordon around Paul/Harden..there's really nothing special about Ariza/Tucker/Mbah a Moute/Anderson/Nene or washed-up Iguodala and Livingston/West/Casspi/Young/Bell..

    Spurs have a huge gap in talent between Leonard/Aldridge and the role players, though, there's nothing in-between..the talent issue and roster imbalance would all be solved with a high-end 3rd option guard like Kemba Walker..
    Good points and they have been brought up b4. It strains the thought why they haven gone in that pursuit and instead reupped a really washed up Pau and a highly overpriced small microwave. One has to think MJ was a bit delusional in his package demands for Walker.

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    Yeah, getting that third player while keeping Green, LMA and Kawhi was worth potentially making a Billy King deal. I just can't think of anyone besides Walker who could fulfill that role. Anyone remotely talented enough is making too much money to be viable.
    Walker is literally the only decent option among players who could realistically be traded..the only other options I could imagine are a declining Jrue Holiday on a 25/year contract(isn't even that good anymore, either) or a washed-up Eric Bledsoe..neither is appealing, whatsoever..

    I just don't really understand what their plan was in regards to roster construction at the PG position..Parker has been finished since 2015, was there really not a future plan in motion other than Chris Paul?(not counting Irving, since he wasn't even expected to be available)

    With Parker as the only PG who can run an offense, a project in Murray and just having spent 50 million on Mills, I don't understand their plan or direction at the deepest position in the league..

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    Yeah, getting that third player while keeping Green, LMA and Kawhi was worth potentially making a Billy King deal. I just can't think of anyone besides Walker who could fulfill that role. Anyone remotely talented enough is making too much money to be viable.
    It’s viable if you send some summer deals away... and reevaluate everything and everyone else. We shall see what happens this summer. I’d like to see everyone healthy and see what happens.

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    Walker is literally the only decent option among players who could realistically be traded..the only other options I could imagine are a declining Jrue Holiday on a 25/year contract(isn't even that good anymore, either) or a washed-up Eric Bledsoe..neither is appealing, whatsoever..

    I just don't really understand what their plan was in regards to roster construction at the PG position..Parker has been finished since 2015, was there really not a future plan in motion other than Chris Paul?(not counting Irving, since he wasn't even expected to be available)

    With Parker as the only PG who can run an offense, a project in Murray and just having spent 50 million on Mills, I don't understand their plan or direction at the deepest position in the league..
    none of us outside of dabom and clipper nation have been able to make any sense of the mills signing. it completely went against every indicator... the drafting of murray and derrick white, the grooming of forbes.

    at this point i think the team truly believes Murray is the answer going forward, with Mills just being an overpriced change of pace.

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    Bertans with Mills = horrid defense which ended up losing the game for the Spurs.

    I know injuries have wreaked havoc on lineups, but those two should never be on the floor together in that situation we saw closing the game last night.

    If Mills isn't scoring (which he hasn't been), he is a massive defensive liability.

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    i like bertans, but that attempt to draw a charge late in the game was laughable

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    Pop taking this approach tells me he understood perhaps everyone was really beat up physically and tired.. and the team may be in a fragile state. He didn't come out blasting on anyone.

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    In Game One last year, Kerr absolutely went away from Draymond guarding LMA, because Draymond couldn't do it. It was to such a point that Draymond himself started yelling for a switch any time he was on Aldridge. People forget that it wasn't just Kawhi dominating the Warriors in that game. That's even more true given that Green is not their primary scorer and doesn't have to be "saved" like that.


    Aldridge has had plenty of inefficient performances with Green as the primary defender. Aldridge dominating him in game 1 is different than the notion that this would prevent them from playing lineups without a traditional big. Reality is, they've played less of Green at center lineups this season for 2 reasons: 1) To spare him the physical pounding of playing up a position and 2) Iguodala and Livingston have fallen off a cliff, which explains in part why it's been less effective.

    In a potential series vs Spurs, if they think the best course of action is more Green at center lineups, I don't think they'd hesitate to go it. Their good at rotating out of double teams, Aldridge is a sub par passer and despite a plethora of shooters, Spurs have struggled making wide open shots all season (mired in the 20s in wide open 3%).


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    Aldridge has had plenty of inefficient performances with Green as the primary defender.
    Not really. LMA was dropping huge games on them even when he was in Portland. He averaged 21 points on 47-percent shooting in games against Draymond since 2014-2015 began (so during this era of Warriors dominance). He averaged 1.8 trips to the line and 1.8 TOs in those games. This is leaving out the WCF entirely, because Draymond wasn't the primary defender, Leonard wasn't playing and the Warriors triple-teamed LMA. In general, the Warriors have moved away from letting Draymond defend bigs one-on-one they don't have to do so with guys like Durant able to help, and due to a number of bigs going off on Green like Gasol and Cousins.

    In a match-up against the Spurs where LMA is the main offensive threat, you'll see what we saw in most of the WCF. In a series where Kawhi is the primary threat, we'll see what we saw in the first two quarter. It's significantly harder to scramble your defense around stopping a second option.

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    Not really. LMA was dropping huge games on them even when he was in Portland. He averaged 21 points on 47-percent shooting in games against Draymond since 2014-2015 began (so during this era of Warriors dominance). He averaged 1.8 trips to the line and 1.8 TOs in those games. This is leaving out the WCF entirely, because Draymond wasn't the primary defender, Leonard wasn't playing and the Warriors triple-teamed LMA. In general, the Warriors have moved away from letting Draymond defend bigs one-on-one they don't have to do so with guys like Durant able to help, and due to a number of bigs going off on Green like Gasol and Cousins.

    In a match-up against the Spurs where LMA is the main offensive threat, you'll see what we saw in most of the WCF. In a series where Kawhi is the primary threat, we'll see what we saw in the first two quarter. It's significantly harder to scramble your defense around stopping a second option.
    That's more like Aldridge's typical numbers than "huge games" and I was referring more to in his Spurs tenure.

    It is harder, but I still think they'd go that route before going away from playing a specific lineup. Only an idiot lets an inferior team dictate the terms and not only that, but the second you give in to that, you just told both teams that you think the inferior team is capable of winning the series.

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    In Game One last year, Kerr absolutely went away from Draymond guarding LMA, because Draymond couldn't do it. It was to such a point that Draymond himself started yelling for a switch any time he was on Aldridge. People forget that it wasn't just Kawhi dominating the Warriors in that game. That's even more true given that Green is not their primary scorer and doesn't have to be "saved" like that.
    I don't think that was the reason. Green was guarding Pau because of his pick and pop ability from 3, I believe it was specifically mentioned during one of the telecasts that Kerr didn't want Zaza to have to cover a 3pt shooter. Zaza is a capable LMA defender so having him spend his 14-16 minutes a game guarding Aldridge saves Green the trouble.



    Aldridge has had plenty of inefficient performances with Green as the primary defender. Aldridge dominating him in game 1 is different than the notion that this would prevent them from playing lineups without a traditional big. Reality is, they've played less of Green at center lineups this season for 2 reasons: 1) To spare him the physical pounding of playing up a position and 2) Iguodala and Livingston have fallen off a cliff, which explains in part why it's been less effective.

    In a potential series vs Spurs, if they think the best course of action is more Green at center lineups, I don't think they'd hesitate to go it. Their good at rotating out of double teams, Aldridge is a sub par passer and despite a plethora of shooters, Spurs have struggled making wide open shots all season (mired in the 20s in wide open 3%).

    Agreed.

    Prior to the most recent game vs. GSW I was concerned with Aldridge against GSW but Aldridge looked comfortable going at Zaza and didn't force it when he got double -I don't think he had a turnover after having 5 in the first game of the WCF last season, most of which occurred after Kawhi went down. Starting Bertans makes LMA's life easier, IMO, because it almost guarantees that Zaza is Aldridge's primary defender to start but I expect Draymond to play around 25-30 mpg at center.

    LMA can't back down Green and is susceptible to strips but Green can't keep Aldridge off the offensive glass and is susceptible to duck ins where he can get buried underneath the basket. I also think the running pick and roll with Aldridge actually diving to the rim can do some damage against Draymond at center lineups with a spread floor around him.

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    Not really. LMA was dropping huge games on them even when he was in Portland. He averaged 21 points on 47-percent shooting in games against Draymond since 2014-2015 began (so during this era of Warriors dominance). He averaged 1.8 trips to the line and 1.8 TOs in those games. This is leaving out the WCF entirely, because Draymond wasn't the primary defender, Leonard wasn't playing and the Warriors triple-teamed LMA. In general, the Warriors have moved away from letting Draymond defend bigs one-on-one they don't have to do so with guys like Durant able to help, and due to a number of bigs going off on Green like Gasol and Cousins.

    In a match-up against the Spurs where LMA is the main offensive threat, you'll see what we saw in most of the WCF. In a series where Kawhi is the primary threat, we'll see what we saw in the first two quarter. It's significantly harder to scramble your defense around stopping a second option.
    The point about Aldridge going off in the first 2 + quarters of game 1 of the WCF with Kawhi is a valid one, GSW was clearly more concerned with stopping Kawhi than containing Aldridge and as a result he had 20 points before Kawhi went down and 8 points and 3 turnovers in the final 20 minutes of the game.

    With Kawhi going off, Aldridge had more single coverage looks, and dominated

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    And what we know is that GSW don't have anyone to mark LMA one on one.

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    I don't think that was the reason. Green was guarding Pau because of his pick and pop ability from 3, I believe it was specifically mentioned during one of the telecasts that Kerr didn't want Zaza to have to cover a 3pt shooter. Zaza is a capable LMA defender so having him spend his 14-16 minutes a game guarding Aldridge saves Green the trouble.



    Agreed.

    Prior to the most recent game vs. GSW I was concerned with Aldridge against GSW but Aldridge looked comfortable going at Zaza and didn't force it when he got double -I don't think he had a turnover after having 5 in the first game of the WCF last season, most of which occurred after Kawhi went down. Starting Bertans makes LMA's life easier, IMO, because it almost guarantees that Zaza is Aldridge's primary defender to start but I expect Draymond to play around 25-30 mpg at center.

    LMA can't back down Green and is susceptible to strips but Green can't keep Aldridge off the offensive glass and is susceptible to duck ins where he can get buried underneath the basket. I also think the running pick and roll with Aldridge actually diving to the rim can do some damage against Draymond at center lineups with a spread floor around him.
    If/when healthy, Bertans becomes Gay/Anderson, though the match-ups will stay the same.

    I doubt Green plays that much center period, let alone vs Spurs.

    Aldridge slipping and diving when Green is at center works, if they trap Leonard in P-n-R, which would require him repeatedly torching them in it first. If that happens, they'd undoubtedly help off of whichever of Murray or Parker is in (if Anderson is in, he'd be another candidate), which would mean a small/wing rotating to protect the rim vs Aldridge.

    To prevent this, they could just switch, have Durant/Iguodala guard Aldridge momentarily and then help off of one of the aforementioned names.

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