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    I didn't move the talk to fireworks -- but here we are.
    Do you still stand with your proposal to limit/license guns like we do cars?

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    There is no cons utional right to fireworks...cities are allowed to enact these bans.
    Are 50 caliber machine guns, guns?
    Are battle ships guns, guns.
    Are cannons guns? Mortars?

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    Do you still stand with your proposal to limit/license guns like we do cars?
    So you could own a tank. It's got a gun of sorts. Just need what kinda license...

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    Are 50 caliber machine guns, guns?
    Are battle ships guns, guns.
    Are cannons guns? Mortars?
    I'm pretty sure you can still own a .50 cal machine gun if it was manufactured before 1986.

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    Do you still stand with your proposal to limit/license guns like we do cars?
    No. I propose we limit and license them like the killing instruments they are since they are so unlike cars the comparison is laughable.

    Thanks for changing my mind.

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    I'm pretty sure you can still own a .50 cal machine gun if it was manufactured before 1986.
    Mortar?
    Cannon?

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    So you could own a tank. It's got a gun of sorts. Just need what kinda license...
    Tank cannons are classified different...as a destructive device instead of "arms."

    But...you can own a tank with an inoperable cannon if you want

    http://www.guns.com/2015/08/25/want-to-buy-a-tank/

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    Mortar?
    Cannon?
    Nuke?

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    There is no cons utional right to fireworks...cities are allowed to enact these bans.
    Oh look who moved the goalpost now

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    Tank cannons are classified different...as a destructive device instead of "arms."

    But...you can own a tank with an inoperable cannon if you want

    http://www.guns.com/2015/08/25/want-to-buy-a-tank/

    So who gets to decide a 50 caliber machine gun is classified as arms?
    You understand the point of going thru the same basic device. A weapon that uses pressure to fire a projectile. Where is the line drawn...

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    There's actually no cons utional impediment to regulating weapons, as long as it doesn't deprive the individual from personal protection (according to the SCOTUS).

    The SCOTUS specifically singled out certain shotguns that are popular for personal protection, but that was the bar they set.

    That's why nukes are indeed banned.

    Just like any other cons utional right, they're not absolute (something I discussed with DMC, IIRC). Even the 1st amendment has certain regulations applied to it.

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    Oh look who moved the goalpost now
    So are you OK with a ban of AR15s only within city limits of major metropolitan areas which adopt the ban? People living outside the jurisdictional limits of a city could still own operate on their own land? Or on a gun range outside the City?

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    I'm pretty sure you can still own a .50 cal machine gun if it was manufactured before 1986.
    Well that isn't like owning a car at all!

    Wow!

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    So are you OK with a ban of AR15s only within city limits of major metropolitan areas which adopt the ban? People living outside the jurisdictional limits of a city could still own operate on their own land? Or on a gun range outside the City?
    If it's really dry and windy just ban guns altogether.

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    There's actually no cons utional impediment to regulating weapons, as long as it doesn't deprive the individual from personal protection (according to the SCOTUS).

    The SCOTUS specifically singled out certain shotguns that are popular for personal protection, but that was the bar they set.

    That's why nukes are indeed banned.

    Just like any other cons utional right, they're not absolute (something I discussed with DMC, IIRC). Even the 1st amendment has certain regulations applied to it.
    Bar? Certain shot guns... because they spray projectiles... It's basically a mess.

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    So are you OK with a ban of AR15s only within city limits of major metropolitan areas which adopt the ban? People living outside the jurisdictional limits of a city could still own operate on their own land? Or on a gun range outside the City?
    No, the point was sensible people regulated fireworks.

    Unless you were actually trying to directly compare guns to fireworks.

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    Well that isn't like owning a car at all!

    Wow!
    How is that not like a car? All cars manufactured today have to meet certain requirements, but you can still own older cars that don't meet those requirements.

    The gov't didn't ban civilians owning machine guns, they just banned gun makers from making them for civilian use after 1986.

    Do you still want guns to be licensed/registered the same as cars?

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    regulating guns like we regulate cars doesn't necessarily mean that they have to be identical regulations

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    How is that not like a car? All cars manufactured today have to meet certain requirements, but you can still own older cars that don't meet those requirements.

    The gov't didn't ban civilians owning machine guns, they just banned gun makers from making them for civilian use after 1986.
    We can just get the government to ban the making of all new guns?

    That's a start.

    You're full of great gun control ideas!

    Do you still want guns to be licensed/registered the same as cars?
    Asked and answered.

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    regulating guns like we regulate cars doesn't necessarily mean that they have to be identical regulations
    Yeah but dem vehicle bump stocks tho

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    Asked and answered.
    Missed that.

    Glad I could change your mind. My work is done

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    regulating guns like we regulate cars doesn't necessarily mean that they have to be identical regulations
    Nope, gun regs to be more severe than cars but plenty of similariry

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    So you could own a tank. It's got a gun of sorts. Just need what kinda license...
    You actually can own a tank. It's just a vehicle.

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    People do not own 50 caliber machine guns for personal protection. Unless they own them before 1980 something. So now we got automatics of any type bought because people want to collect stuff.

    Its still a mess. The gun people know.

    Ask them if they wanted to do as "well" as Vegas guy, what type of weapon(s) they would buy currently available and how they would use them? Then we get a response of renting a gasoline transport truck and driving it off a bridge onto traffic stacked on a freeway below at rush hour.

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