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Watch Manu come back now and be like "I've always intended to do this."
They literally take up roster spots. That's why they matter in terms of drafting a wing. It's funny how keen you are to except White, though, looking at the rest of your post.
Sucks. You're pumping up Gerald Green like he wasn't a min guy for a reason. I've been interested in signing him a couple of times, but he's not a needle-mover. Joe is ancient. PJ and Mbah a Moute aren't better than Anderson.Gordon, Ariza, Gerald Green, Mbah Moute, Joe Johnson, P.J Tucker
You're starting to list people's wing rotations not excluding their best player from here on out. A healthy Kawhi is worth that whole rotation by himself. AndUtah: Mitc , Ingles, Crowder, Exum.at trying to list Exum when he lost his spot to Royce ing O'Neal.
You're kidding if you think that's better than the Spurs' wing rotation when healthy.Blazers: McCullum, Turner, Aminu, Harkless.
... Oh, you're serious? Butler is better than any Spurs wing besides Kawhi. Sure. But the rest of that rotation is hot garbage. Wiggins and Crawford are net-negatives.Wolves: Butler, Wiggins, Crowford, Bjelica.
Even worse than Minny's rotation.Wizards: Beal, Porter, Morris, Satoransky, Oubre.
Closest you've gotten so far, because Middleton is also better than any Spurs wing besides Kawhi. I wouldn't hate too hard on the idea that this rotation is better, though listing their backup PG as a wing is weird, and Snell is hardly a needle-mover.Bucks: Giannis, Middleton, Snell, Parker, Brogdon.
You really stretched it with Ersan and Saric, who are as much wings as Aldridge is. Assuming Simmons !> Kawhi in your book, I would say this is even at best. Covington has fallen off a bit this season. Re too.Sixers: Simmons, Red , Covington, Saric, Ilyasova, Bellinelli.
Just trying to pad a list at this point. Has nothing on a healthy Spurs rotation. Did you forget how good Leonard is? Why do I of all people have to remind you?Celtics: Tatum, Brown, Morris, Hayward, Smart.
Lebron? Check. You've included both of the team's PGs in this list. Without them, you get a worse Gay, an ancient Korver and a net negative.Cavs: Lebron, Smith, Korver, Hood, Hill, Clarkson, J.Green.
You stopped looking because you had stretched your own confines way too far. Again, it's disturbing how comfortable you seem to be at overlooking Kawhi's impact. Almost all of those rotations are intact, so they both have their best players and the rest of the guys have the benefit of having those players take pressure off them. We got to see a fully healthy rotation once, and we never got to see them in rhythm. I know you're the most "prisoner of the moment" guy on this forum when it comes to making sweeping evaluations, but some of these aren't even debatable if we were drunk.And I stopped looking because I got tired
Watch Manu come back now and be like "I've always intended to do this."
Too skinny? Ppl said the same about KD... you never draft a player based on how much muscle they lack, because that's something that can always be easily gained... Skill is where it's at
Pau deal occurred as a result of a negotiation with PATFO. His original deal he got in that season where the market really was inflated so it was a good market deal that year. You just have to look around at other contracts given that year and realize it was market value. He then opted out and got rewarded by PATFO for their own reasons and cir stances. PATFO gambled and lost. It sucks but it was a special situation.
Patty I didn't want back bc I think the Spurs have needed a better PG for years now and they needed at least one elite offensive guard in the team. I don't care if he was a SG or PG, but at least one of their guards had to be able to be an offensive stud. As you know Tony and Manu can't do it, on top of that limited minutes and consistency. Patty is not that guy either. But if you were going to re-sign him, he plays a lot of rotation minutes for the team so in theory he's worth at least 7 mill. 10 mill was too much and the length of the contract was appalling since he's a small guard that is 29 years old at the time he was given that deal. I don't expect him to age all that well bc while his shooting will likely not desert him what's going to happen to him when he slows down. It's more a criticism of the fact the Spurs needed a better player for that money than the contract itself.
and I think that's the objection guys like Nono have, they probably don't want Kyle back at any price. but who are you replacing him with. if you have someone better for that money by all means don't pay him. But if you want him back you have to pay him.
I don't him back and any price, but since I'm preparing to the fact that I'm going to eat a sammich this summer with this, if he does come back, I hope it's not for Patty kind of money.
Heck, as soon as any other team makes an offer for him, I'll chip in a couple extra millions to sweeten the deal
I could have added OKC with George, Melo, Grant and Abrines. If I look deep into, I'm sure I will also come to the conclusion that teams like the Pacers, Nuggets, Raptors and some others will probably have better wings than the Spurs.They literally take up roster spots. That's why they matter in terms of drafting a wing. It's funny how keen you are to except White, though, looking at the rest of your post.
Sucks. You're pumping up Gerald Green like he wasn't a min guy for a reason. I've been interested in signing him a couple of times, but he's not a needle-mover. Joe is ancient. PJ and Mbah a Moute aren't better than Anderson.
You're starting to list people's wing rotations not excluding their best player from here on out. A healthy Kawhi is worth that whole rotation by himself. And
You're kidding if you think that's better than the Spurs' wing rotation when healthy.
... Oh, you're serious? Butler is better than any Spurs wing besides Kawhi. Sure. But the rest of that rotation is hot garbage. Wiggins and Crawford are net-negatives.
Even worse than Minny's rotation.
Closest you've gotten so far, because Middleton is also better than any Spurs wing besides Kawhi. I wouldn't hate too hard on the idea that this rotation is better, though listing their backup PG as a wing is weird, and Snell is hardly a needle-mover.
You really stretched it with Ersan and Saric, who are as much wings as Aldridge is. Assuming Simmons !> Kawhi in your book, I would say this is even at best. Covington has fallen off a bit this season. Re too.
Just trying to pad a list at this point. Has nothing on a healthy Spurs rotation. Did you forget how good Leonard is? Why do I of all people have to remind you?
Lebron? Check. You've included both of the team's PGs in this list. Without them, you get a worse Gay, an ancient Korver and a net negative.
You stopped looking because you had stretched your own confines way too far. Again, it's disturbing how comfortable you seem to be at overlooking Kawhi's impact. Almost all of those rotations are intact, so they both have their best players and the rest of the guys have the benefit of having those players take pressure off them. We got to see a fully healthy rotation once, and we never got to see them in rhythm. I know you're the most "prisoner of the moment" guy on this forum when it comes to making sweeping evaluations, but some of these aren't even debatable if we were drunk.
Also, in this whole "let's take each team's best wing out of the equation. You are forgetting that the Spurs was the only team, alongside Boston, that actually played the entire season without it's best wing, so the lesser wings of the Spurs had more minutes and responsabilities to shine. If it wasn't for Kawhi's injured Anderson would probably be seen as lesser player than how he is percieved right now. But whetever, take the best guy out of everyteam and the Spurs are still nowhere close to the second best team in the league in terms of wings.
Who was the Spurs best wing this season? Anderson? A guy that averages 8ppg on 30 mmp? Manu, a 42 year old? Green, a 3 and D guy who has completely lost his shot and doesn't know how to dribble? You are very mistaken if you think the Spurs' wing rotation is some kind of major strength.
good points. i think our wings are efficient and effective (more so on the defensive end) but they hardly come off as a formidable group.
Melo has been warmed over this season. You could have added them just as a capper to show you much you've been stretching your point.
No, I'm literally not. That's the whole point. Some guys need stars to help them, if anything just to take attention from them. That's a flaw but not an automatic disqualifier.Also, in this whole "let's take each team's best wing out of the equation. You are forgetting that the Spurs was the only team, alongside Boston, that actually played the entire season without it's best wing, so the lesser wings of the Spurs had more minutes and responsabilities to shine.
They're a damned sight better than most of those teams you listed.But whetever, take the best guy out of everyteam and the Spurs are still nowhere close to the second best team in the league in terms of wings.
It was probably Gay in terms of average (not counting Kawhi's short stint) and Anderson in terms of aggregate. Anderson, Gay, Kawhi and Aldridge has to be strongest forward rotation in the league. Even Golden State doesn't have one like it. When you insist a guy like Kyle is worth half the MLE, obviously you're going to come out with a skewed view of reality. Bertans is fine depth behind those guys, and Paul has a role to play. That leaves the guards, which has been the team's weak spot for years now. I can agree that Green and Manu have fallen off as a two-guard rotation and wouldn't rank too highly this season based on their (especially Danny's) performance. I also think Murray's dicey, though you and other folks love him. That should count as points toward the wing rotation, but I guess it doesn't here...Who was the Spurs best wing this season? Anderson? A guy that averages 8ppg on 30 mmp? Manu, a 42 year old? Green, a 3 and D guy who has completely lost his shot and doesn't know how to dribble? You are very mistaken if you think the Spurs' wing rotation is some kind of major strength.
I'll argue that Inglis, James Johnson and Pacers brogv are, but the rest are turds in comparison. Want to get upset with Kyle's shooting. Imagine MKG.
18 mother er we get 18,
it already happened that fast??!! heck yeah man.
I think Gay is opting in. I don't think he showed he was worth more. Plus, if Kawhi is dealt, I think he sees his role kind of cemented.
Manu didn't sign a two-year deal with the plan to play both years. I know this seems counter-intuitive, but he wanted to play next year, he would have signed a one-year deal with an option. Doing that would have given him the flexibility to opt out and get more money while also giving the team a chance to renounce him for cap space (since they could give him a new min deal even if they went over the cap). It does nobody good for Manu to take the deal he did if he plan wasn't to retire. Obviously, he could change his mind, and perhaps this season has made him do that. But if he does come back, it will be for no more money than he will make not playing. It's not realistic to think he's going to do that, regardless of the conceit of pretending Argentinians are the only folks who can understand Manu after the dude has been with the team for so long.
The Spurs will know on Green and Rudy before the draft. They'll probably know on Kawhi too. They can definitely keep at least one of Anderson/Bertans if they want to. You throw in Blossomgame, White and Paul, and you really don't have that much uncertainty. Moreover, the team will have a lot of flexibility to replace any of those guys who leave in free agency, and they will have to do that rather than just drafting. Gay, Green and Anderson are rotation players. You aren't asking a rookie to fill those slots.
The Spurs wings are fine. , they're more than fine. Kawhi's loss has made everyone look worse. But if this rotation were healthy, it would be:
Murray, Ginobili
Leonard, Green
Anderson, Gay
Golden State is the only team that can argue it has a better rotation than that. I shudder to think how Houston's middle guys would be without Harden. Murray isn't going anywhere. Kawhi being traded is going to cause a cascade of changes that will result in a new starting SF among other things. White's ready to replace Manu. Gay's role as a go-to scorer will be replaced by an MLE vet, because it's too important to leave open. If Anderson leaves, you put Bertans there. They aren't both going to leave. Green's is the only role you might consider using a pick on, but even that would either be filled with a Kawhi trade or by a compe ion between guys like Paul and Blossomgame. It's not a critical spot.
I can't imagine what you'd be saying about the big rotation had LMA been the guy out all year and they run with Gasol and Joff getting big minutes.
Jontay Porter 6’11 PF
Dzanan Musa 6’9 SF
Shake Milton 6’6 PG/SG
I think most will be back. The point about Gay is that you don't draft some guy and hope to replace Gay's role. You'd have to attack it in free agency with a vet. I actually do see Gay opting out, though, and signing like a two-year deal at a slight raise and without an option. He seems to live SA, and he fits well there. He could age gracefully as a designated bench scorer. Only way he leaves is if he's THAT desperate to ring-chase of is taking Kawhi's side in all this.
going back to this thread though... think the initial point is they will take the best player available. They just need someone that can help the most and is talented... if he happens to be a guard, guess what they have needed good guards and may need to move on from some current guys, if it's a big, they need that too (I don't know what happens with Milutinov), but if you get someone better you snag him. If it's a wing, they could use him too. Whoever is the best player.
Let's not pass on Jimmy Butlers bc we need a CoJo, kind of situation.
My Top 3 for our draft slot:
Knox
J. Porter
Trent
With PATFO in charge that is exactly what scares me. Moreover, if Kawhi is dealt, having PATFO handling that scares me more - especially if even more draft picks are involved. But what really disturbs me is the way Pop handles young prospects. Whether they pick a guard, a big, or a wing - regardless of the guy's ability, Pop will likely relegate him to G-league duty. He won't help the parent club for a couple of years at the earliest.
i dunno man... it kinda depends on necessity. Kawhi was starting his first year for example but for the most part you are right.
Everything depends on Kawhi but after watching today's game, we need play makers and knockdown shooters on the wing. White has the potential to be huge, but the more the merrier. I think J. Porter would be great but if there's a wing that can play make and shoot you have to go for it. It's just the nature of the game right now. Manu is our best play maker and the dude is 40. Parker looks done. Can't hit the mid range or get to the rim. Patty isn't a threat at the rim. Gay is a post up wing so you can start him at the four next year. We just don't have the luxury to have the Danny Greens of the world on our team. Bryn had more than enough chances, can't create, not bad as a 15th man off the bench etc. Paul is another Green basically. All we have is Murray and White and Murray is what 21 and White played in the G League most the year. Kyle did really well in the PNR early in the year... where did that go??? Why did that stop???
Bottom line, we need an overhaul next year at least in the rotation. Theoretically they would've been fine with Kawhi but who knows what happens next.
Mitc Robinson pls
Oh, hi
Why does Pop hate players with athleticism? Simmons was the last Spur that had any, we lucked into him, didn't draft him and then let him leave. Yet we will probably try to keep fathead. We extend Pau for ridiculous cash but lose Dedmon to the Hawks, smh. We will probably get some euro that won't see the nba for 4 years or some college senior with a high bbiq and no athleticism whatsoever that isn't even on most teams draft boards.
Would love to get Deandre Hunter but my guess is he moves out of our range as the draft gets closer. If he’s unavailable I would love Robert Williams or taking a risk on Mitc Robinson.
btw anyone looking for a decent site to replace draftexpress should check out thestepien.com
For this year’s pick, my guess is Shake Milton. 6’6, solid wingspan, great defender, can play three positions. For the 49th pick I’m betting on Goga Bitadze.
Yes sir!! Cosign!!
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