Kawhi is trending and NBA twitter is ripping him into shreds

[CGD]

That value is far and away better than Tatum and the Sac pick. The Spur may not be a contender without Kawhi, but they'd've been hosting a playoff series this year with Harris instead of nothing. I like two chances at this draft over a Kings pick which cannot be first-overall and could be as low as 30 if the SAC pick wins the lotto and Philly has the best record in the league. Huge downside, not a huge upside given the potential wait. Obviously, we've had the Tatum debate like a million times already. No reason to keep going there. But Beverly's contract is very good (old-CBA non-guaranteed expiring) and Boban is excellent ballast. When considering what the Celtics will need to use as ballast to make the numbers work, the total value gets even lower.

This completely ignores that LAC would likely offer all that for Kawhi and maybe more, while Boston is probably conservative enough to think the proposed deal is already too much. I could see a Clippers deal getting done quickly and quietly, with Woj reporting it right after the 12th pick is made. A Celtics deal would likely take days to complete, like a lot of stupid news articles going the whole time. Even if Ainge would eventually cave to this deal (which isn't enough in my opinion), he may miss his chance,

This is spot on. I think folks overlook what you’ve discribed about the Sacto pick in particular.

Question is I’m not sure what else there is to extract from LAC; incredibly, so many of their own picks are en bered/Stepien rule unmovable for years to come. Maybe a 2023 first when they might start to decline?

[apalisoc_9]

Pop is 1-9 in the postseason without Kawhi with 8 blowouts & 1 epic choke job

Tim retired rather than playing for Pop-A- with one year left on his contract.

Poop had to take Softridge out on a date to save face.

He should tank Trump otherwise he would be getting the Feel Jackson treatment.

Omg

[Chinook]

This is spot on. I think folks overlook what you’ve discribed about the Sacto pick in particular.

Question is I’m not sure what else there is to extract from LAC; incredibly, so many of their own picks are en bered/Stepien rule unmovable for years to come. Maybe a 2023 first when they might start to decline?

I'd do pick swaps. If Kawhi is healthy and whatnot, then they won't use them. But if he really is hurt or jumps to the Lakers or whatever, you could end up getting a good deal.

Real-talk though, the utility of the trade depends largely on who's at 12 and 13 and how much RC likes those players. He could find two guys with ROY potential there, but if he doesn't believe that much in those picks (and can't use them to get the guy(s) he wants) then the LAC trade has barely any value.

[CGD]

I'd do pick swaps. If Kawhi is healthy and whatnot, then they won't use them. But if he really is hurt or jumps to the Lakers or whatever, you could end up getting a good deal.

Real-talk though, the utility of the trade depends largely on who's at 12 and 13 and how much RC likes those players. He could find two guys with ROY potential there, but if he doesn't believe that much in those picks (and can't use them to get the guy(s) he wants) then the LAC trade has barely any value.

Yup, for every Kawhi for in that range there are 25 Chris Singletons.

Question: Can Clips even move their pick this year? It looks like they’cd committed to move their 2019 next year already, and I thought a team couldn’t move successive first rounders.

[DPG21920]

Yup, for every Kawhi for in that range there are 25 Chris Singletons.

Question: Can Clips even move their pick this year? It looks like they’cd committed to move their 2019 next year already, and I thought a team couldn’t move successive first rounders.

You can move successive first rounders; you just have to have a pick in that draft. So they could trade their own first round pick in 18, 19, 20 & 21 as long as they traded for picks in the first round from other teams in those years.

[TheDoctor]

This "And the Spurs suggested too" doesn't add up to Pop's "You need to ask Kawhi and his group (when he's gonna be back)" .

[DPG21920]

This "And the Spurs suggested too" doesn't add up to Pop's "You need to ask Kawhi and his group (when he's gonna be back)" .

That was more talking about him playing. That is out of SAs hands.

[Chinook]

Yup, for every Kawhi for in that range there are 25 Chris Singletons.

Question: Can Clips even move their pick this year? It looks like they’cd committed to move their 2019 next year already, and I thought a team couldn’t move successive first rounders.

During the draft, that doesn't matter. The Spurs aren't trading for the pick; they are trading for the rights to whomever the Clips draft with that pick. So all that has to happen is SA tells LAC who they want drafted, LAC doesn't the drafting, and the swap happens.

[offset formation]

Kawhi left them to answer all the questions on his behalf. They let Kawhi get 2nd opinion, allowed him to go away from the team to rehab with his guys and have protected him from any media responsibility. They have done more than they should honestly.

Even the stuff people are mad at (TP interview, Pop, etc) are very innocent in the big scheme of things and are a direct result of SA protecting Kawhi from all media. They are getting peppered with questions when Kawhi himself is the one with the answers.

And imagine the difference had this happened in a NY or LA market. He would have been char dust.

But the Spurs didn't protect him good enough...lol

[CGD]

During the draft, that doesn't matter. The Spurs aren't trading for the pick; they are trading for the rights to whomever the Clips draft with that pick. So all that has to happen is SA tells LAC who they want drafted, LAC doesn't the drafting, and the swap happens.

Got it, that makes sense.

[spurs10]

This is all that matters really. Also have you seen Pop's interview today? He is not upset about anything he says 'I've got the easiest job in the world! I ride around in a chartered jet that I don't pay for full of food and stuff...get taken to my room at the Four seasons, that I don't pay for. Then I have front row tickets to an NBA basketball game.'

He was not snarky at all. He meant it literally that he didn't know if he'd be coming there, as they hadn't made the out for the season call yet. Sounds to me like Kawhi was doing what he could to get back and they finally gave it up. Not the contentious bull many in the media are making it out to be. Also Jabari Young was plainly saying they were all communicating and supportive of the process.

[spurs10]

Also it says "league sources" were being critical of the Spurs, not Kawhi or his manager. People like that pot stirring asshole Jalen Rose.

[Ice009]

No star free agent will ever give the Spurs extra consideration if they 'do right' by Kawhi. So do him wrong.

What do you mean "if they do right by Kawhi"? Do you mean if the Spurs cater to what he wants no star free agent would find that a good thing?

[ceds]

supermax him and pray he accepts and gets his health back 100%

anything else & our days of contending are finished.

[BackHome]

Trade his ass!!!

[AaronY]

I wonder if Kawhi would consider playing in the Summer League if that might be in his (or the Spurs') interest at some point . . .

Lmao are you for real?

[objective]

What do you mean "if they do right by Kawhi"? Do you mean if the Spurs cater to what he wants no star free agent would find that a good thing?

I'm saying it doesn't matter. LMA nearly signed with Phoenix when they were a repeated catastrophe and had players bad mouth the organization that very year on their way out.

People like to imagine that how organizations treat players matters greatly but it doesn't.

If it did, there wouldn't be any issues with Kawhi, now would there?

They've done everything for him. Pop talked him up as the future years before even a majority of Spurs fans did. He talked him up and celebrated him. Durant was calling him a system player, all the talking heads were downplaying him, but the Spurs had his back. Pop even talked him up as THE best player in the car whole league. What did it get the Spurs?

When he sprained his ankle in game 5, despite the criticism', Pop held him out to protect Kawhi's health. What did it get the Spurs?

They shielded him from the media, he never had to take the big media star in he didn't want to. What did it get the Spurs?

Desperate to help the team, Pop debased himself before LMA to keep him engaged. Not for Pop's own benefit, for Kawhi to have his best chance. What did it get the Spurs?

If doing right by players, if treating Kawhi better and supporting him better than any other team could means so much ... Why is Kawhi doing everything a player could to screw a team over?

Not being with the team, leaving the city for months, getting his own medical team, refusing to talk, having people in his sphere talking trash to the media on his behalf.

If his goal was to screw the Spurs over by simultaneously tanking his value, dividing the team and destroying locker room chemistry, dissuading possible suitors from non-huge markets from even bidding with leaks, and ruining the reputation of a coach near retirement ... then Kawhi is doing a magnificent job!

I'd give him an A+ in franchise killing

[Stabula]

Desperate to help the team, Pop debased himself before LMA to keep him engaged. Not for Pop's own benefit, for Kawhi to have his best chance. What did it get the Spurs?

[Ice009]

OK, great explanation. I get your point now. If after all that the Spurs have done for him and if he really is doing what some people are thinking he's doing, then yeah, I guess it doesn't matter how you treat players.

I guess we will have to wait and see after the season is over if he really is going to try and screw the Spurs over. I hope he doesn't screw the Spurs over and force a trade. I hope he heals and I hope he stays with the Spurs and dominates next season.

[Stabula]

Kawhi isn't ever going to heal. You don't ever really heal from like this unless maybe he takes stem cell therapy.

[duncan2k5]

if he was only injured he'd be sitting behind the bench at a playoff game supporting his guys. It's clear this has become much more than a thigh bruise. It's an entire complex that he has. Probably with anxiety to show up in front of the team that he has already abandoned

U mean show up for a team openly criticizing an injured player than played his ass off for them every year... Imagine I carried ur bum asses to a 23 point lead VS the warriors that u couldn't even close out for one game... Only to have u doubt that my WELL DO ENTED thigh bruise issue that I had for YEARS is a fake injury, and I'm purposefully sitting out... I'd be pissed too and wouldn't wanna be round ur old bum asses until u retire

[duncan2k5]

Glad he's at least dispelled the speculation that it was the Spurs that asked him to stay away. That was not just baseless but ridiculous to me, no disrespect meant to anyone who speculated that was a hypothetical reason since the situation is so weird.

But in another report that just came out, he said that the Spurs asked Kawhi to stay in NY to rehab... See? Now imagine how Kawhi’s camp feels when they hear this bipolar nonsense

[duncan2k5]

Pretty much sums it up ..

Dude nuked his value in 9 months..

Exactly... Which is why he is actually hurt... If you dumb s can see this is hurting his value, u don't think him and his team realize it?

[duncan2k5]

i still dont get why... he doesnt wanna play for Pop? they pushed him too hard? i cant imagine kawhi having an opinion on anything beyond what he wants for breakfast that morning. he says nothing. we know so little about him.

someone must be in his ear. what other logical reason is there. this is embarrassing

There is one logical reason... He is injured... Especially after what we saw those 9 games... How the something so obvious is completely dismissed is baffling to me...

[duncan2k5]

I am not clear how he could be hurt when he has not played ball all year long? He was hurt after a summer of rest apparently. Maybe pro basketball is not his thing. He should take up Water Polo.. Something easy on the legs..

He did play... But ur not a spurs fan so u wouldn't know