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1. agreed he was stll an all-star.
2. Not sure he is damaged goods that is the risk Spurs or new team faces
3. Did/will Spurs offer supermax? IF so you assume healthy. IF not assume major conerns about health/at ude whatever.
I just hate the its this year or else narrative.
Just like you guys dont want to be raped by ainge or anyone else.
I am not sure giving up all our assets for KL is that smart.
He wasnt healthy last year and we need some talent on cheap contracts ... to support whomever we get.
But I get you guys want good value for KL just think you over over estimating it and but hey I may be over estimating Ingram.
Good things is we will know teh answers to both by the all star break next year who was right or wrong.
1. agreed he was stll an all-star.
2. Not sure he is damaged goods that is the risk Spurs or new team faces
3. Did/will Spurs offer supermax? IF so you assume healthy. IF not assume major conerns about health/at ude whatever.
I don’t think it has to be all this year or bust, but saying you leave yourself open to landing great players if you hold on. How many times does a PG/Kawhi level player become available? If you miss out, you usually end up doing something dumb for a worse (but maybe still good) player.
Maybe LA gets Bron and trades for Lillard and don’t want PG or Kawhi?
Possible.
IF KL was 100% healthy I give up plenty to get him.
PG is better than anyone we got but are we trully missing out on that much?
We chose not to trade Ingram for him last year.
Ingram can probably get close to his numbers at a much lower price.
Agree a healthy KL never comes available, but if he was healthy last year this scenario doesnt exist and SPurs and KL are happily married and supermax is offered and signed.
There's no better market if you force his hand to 2019. If lakers don't have capspace, Crippers will make sure they do. He'll be in los angeles either way tbh
Teams aren't going to be nearly as scared of him going to the laughingstock Clippers to play with Danilo Gallinari as they will him going to the storied Lakers to play with LeBron.
God I hope LeBron goes to the 76ers causing Ainge to freak out.
6 of 13...A lot more than I expected. Thanks!
If LeBron and Paul George both go to the Lakers I'm sure the Lakers will package whatever it takes to get Kawhi asap. LeBron will be 34 years of age by the end of the year. Waiting another year to sign Leonard as a free agent is probably not the best path to go as you want to maximize LeBron's remaining elite years. A combo of LeBron, PG, and their young guys is still not enough to beat Golden State. The Spurs should try to get the best package even if that is to the Lakers. Any team he gets traded to will most likely become a super team as it is. I don't see Phoenix trading the #1 pick for Kawhi. Boston has the best and most versatile assets, but without a commitment or possibility of re-signing I don't see them pulling the trigger. Also, what seems to be lost in all of this is if Kawhi and PATFO are still meeting ahead of Thursday night's draft?
yup spur cannot hope for 2019 no capspace they will trade future 1sts if they have to, someone would take deng next year as an an 19 million dollar expiring pretty easily tbqh
Taking Deng easily
I'd be satisfied with that. I'd still try and package a couple of assets to move up into the top 8 in this draft.
playin with the trade machine to make that work, looks like the Lakers would have to also deal Kuzma and another contract like Hart to make it work.
only one year left after this season, some team with cap space will gladly take that on in exchange for a pick or two, like you were hoping for Spur to do on the thread talking about all the massive free agent signings Spur would be getting
What about trading pop to the Lakers. LeBron ain't got no love for Walton. Pop is more of an asset than doc was and doesn't have a son to bandwagon with (Patty Mills is close).
This whole Kawhi thing is far from a done deal. I think there is posturing from both sides. Spurs sending the message that they aren't sure Kawhi is worth the supermax. Kawhi saying he'd be interested in signing the supermax, saying he's 97% recovered, hearing Spurs don't think he's worth the supermax and then saying he wants a trade, and now today saying he's 100% recovered.
I don't know if he's traded or not, but I have a hunch he would sign the supermax. Am I mistaken or wasn't Kawhi bugged on the last contract extension when the Spurs waited to extend him so it would give them more cap space flexibility.
There's going to be a lot of noise speculation but my guess is that no one other than the Spurs and Kawhi's group know exactly what is going on and what is likely to happen.
What a dumb signing. Like i said moving away from Mozgof and shipping Clarkson was part of righting the wrongs of the previous regime.
That is why I will not deem Maginka a failure if PG and or Lebron stay where they are.
We only have one bad contract on the books. Deng. Sucks if it costs us KL ... or anyone else.
But Lakers fans and media is unrealistic as much of this forum is.
Who cares is SAS says Magic failed if he doesn't land a big fish?! It sucks for the interim ...but if KL is healthy a case can be made he is a better fit for our young core ...if and only if we think they are long-term answers.
This team is in faaaar better shape then it was under Mitch/Buss.
IF spurs hang tight maybe KUZ/Ingram prove they are more valuable than Spur fan/PATFO currently think they are.
Like you I dont want Lakers to make a panic move.
unless KL is 100% ... then you move mountains.
Last edited by Killakobe81; 06-19-2018 at 12:00 PM.
Kawhi is most likely just fine. A lot of games he's missed over the years is partly due to Pop being cautious or doing the rest thing. As for last year? I think Kawhi knew spurs were not wanting to offer supermax, which was probably the only way he wanted to stay with the spurs and maybe the only reason he never asked to be traded sooner? Once that was evident, his camp decides its no use risking injury playing for a team you don't really care about, so they make the quad thing bigger than it really is and sits out.
Pop is liable to stick it to them. He just lost his wife and is at the end of his career. He has invested a ton into Kawhi only to get treated like a villan. I see him holding til February unless he gets a great deal.
To sign LeBron and PG13 they're going to have to salary dump one of Ball, Ingram, or Deng this season or stretch Deng, in addition to letting Randle walk either way. Most likely they'll do the latter. They couldn't get to the $32 million or so of capspace they'd need to sign Leonard with a projected $108 million cap for 2019-20 even if they salary dump Ball, Ingram, and Kuzma after stretching Deng. Their picks will be crap with LeBron and PG13 on the team, so they don't hold much value. Their only real hope of signing Kawhi in 2019 if they land James+PG13 this summer is in dumping Ball this summer for say future draft picks and then using Ingram and/or Kuzma to get someone to take Deng's contract. Or they better hope their trade assets they get from dumping Ball are great if they want to trade with San Antonio for Kawhi, since at that point it could only happen with the Spurs accepting Deng's contract.
not sure if this got posted, but first time i'm seeing mainstream media start calling out kawhi on his bull . even if charles is a spurs FO admirer, i think there is gonna be some backlash on the player once both sides' cards are shown publicly
While the Lakers may be their preferred choice they are fine with any of the big markets. The Clippers, Philly, NY etc., so it isn't really Lakers or bust for Kawhi's group. It does put a stop to any potential Big3 for the Lakers but they would still have the potential with Ball/Ingram.
I guess the Spurs won't offer a supermax to any player in the next decades...I doubt RC/Pop love that type of contracts, they will expect a paycut from their guys.
I wonder why... What's about Kawhi having a real quad injury last season?Even if you want a trade, why create such doubt about your health and give the Spurs and anyone else a reason to not max you?...
There are many ways to demand a trade, he didn't need to fake an injury to ask for one.
Unless the Spurs get Suns' #1 pick or Kings' #2 pick in two days, this would be the rare case where both sides "overplayed their hands."
The Spurs lose a top-5 player for almost nothing.... "but but Jackson and #16 and..." =almost nothing if we're talking about an MVP candidate and the best defender in the league.
And Kawhi loses money while plays for scrubs for one year.
Because NYK and Lakers can get only 15 players on active roster?
I guess there are more guys wanting for "jumping all over..." than we know. Unless they sign with those two teams, or they make media know about their desire, we don't know how many calls those teams get from agents in offseason.
I don't doubt that Kawhi had some type of injury, but I guess we'll never know if he was healthy enough to help the Spurs make a run at the end of the season for better playoff positioning and for a good run in the playoffs. It could be that he wasn't 100% until now (when he could be traded or sign the supermax) or it could be that he was healthy enough to play, but didn't want to risk a big pay day or a chance to force his way out of San Antonio.
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