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True, but I honestly don't get it.
Playing in the shadow of Kobe? I know, lifestyle and all, but he will never be a franchise icon for the Lakers and surely won't be able to beat GSW.
LeBron was never ever coming to SA.
It was always going to be LA
True, but I honestly don't get it.
Playing in the shadow of Kobe? I know, lifestyle and all, but he will never be a franchise icon for the Lakers and surely won't be able to beat GSW.
Or even worse they fail to make the playoffs with LeBron and Paul George. It's the West, yes it can happen. Lakers have been a mess since Kobe retired missing the playoffs every season.
They were a mess before Kobe retired too. And some of it was his fault.
What do the Germans know that we don't?
Nothing, tbh.
What do the Germans know that we don't?
And the celtics guy is even proposing Tatum + Brown
Nothing, tbh.
And the celtics guy is even proposing Tatum + BrownI'd take Tatum and Brown but not gonna happen (in any language).
Of course they would. You think Cleveland would have paid the luxury tax to give LeBron to the Spurs though?
IMHO, the spurs are going to wait and see what LeBron/Lakers do before signing off on any trade. Look the spurs aren’t stupid and they know what Kawhi is worth and it isn’t Markelle ing Fultz. I think the reason anything hasn’t gone down is because the spurs are askin for at the very least, Simmons to be included. Same goes for Boston too, they are waiting to see if Ainge puts Tatum back on the table. The only way that plays out is if LAL doesn’t have space for Kawhi next summer with the moves they make this FA. Then Leonard if he still wants out opens his list of teams and gives a verbal he’ll sign an extension with either bos/phila
Well, if his group is willing to lose $80M, an injury-clause isn't the worst that can happen to them...
NBA is all about status. "Kawhi gets the supermax deal like Curry and Russ...He's at the same level of them..." That's the narrative his camp would want since they're looking for better endorsement deals.
It's not always about a city or a small market, it's about the status a player receives.
Again, it's not like I share this perspective, but it seems how things work in the league. I think Kawhi's way better player than Russ and -unlike Curry- he plays both ends of floor...But status is not always related to level of play.
I'm not an Ainge fan, but he should gets lots of credit for evaluating the talent in the 2017 draft. He had the #1 pick and didn't want any part of Fultz or Ball. He traded down to #3 got a great talent in Brown and future picks. After the year Fultz had and the family drama of Ball, Ainge made a genius move.
Do you really think that if Spurs would have offered it, Woj, Shams and the rest of guys wouldn't talk about it?
We would hear Stephen A Smith yelling some "Spurs offered supermax, Kawhi Leonard didn't say a word...Be a grown man, Kawhi! If you don't like cameras I have a f*ckling radio show"
What's if Kawhi really feels that way? I'm not saying it happened but what's if he feels that his NY doctors' diagnosis of ossifications is right and Spurs' doctors were wrong?That’s the thing you still don’t understand...his camp is using the “misdiagnosis” as his calling card out of SA. Like people would understand his point of view if it was known and backed by something. If Kawhi was denied the supermax that’s an easy sell for his way out....
But it still starts and ends with the injury diagnosis..everything is tied to it. Yet we still don’t legitimately know the truth..not even you. Yet you’ll take a bullet for Kawhi..
So it's not like "I don't understand", I truly believe the injury and how bad both sides handled it, was the begining of the relationship's issues between Spurs and Kawhi.
If you read Woj or Jabari, the former with inside-sources in Spurs' org and the latter being close to Kawhi's camp, both guys in their articles/tweets agree that the injury was the real issue.
Of course Pop, Parker, Manu comments didn't help and could have bothered Kawhi too. If he really felt that the Spurs mishandled his injury and the franchise didn't support him in public when he needed it, he could have reasons to want out.
But unlike you, I don't buy that he wanted out since preseason and made a "malefic plan" to leave...
Everything Kawhi said in China was about how much he wanted to win other ring with the Spurs, he talked in what he was working to improve his game and how it could improve the Spurs too...
Also, Kawhi doesn't need to use an injury as excuse to leave...Players don't need it.
Hayward, KD left their teams without giving a reason, they just wrote articles on Player Tribune talking about how much they thanked their former teams and that was all.
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KD and Hayward left when their contracts were up. Kawhi sat out the entire year then completely sabotaged his trade value with the Spurs. Something is wrong. I can't for sure say what the injury was about but he had since May of last year to rehab that injury. You sound naive to deny that it could easily have been a way too cautious plan to get the supermax, no trade clause, and then demand a trade to LA this off season. No one will probably ever know for sure. Uncle Dennis's story is suspect too. I think in shelburne's article he started dabbling in RE investments and made $10M + in one year. If their is ever an insider trading transaction that one reeked of it and then he completely talks for his nephew now. That is not Spurs Supermax material right there.Do you really think that if Spurs would have offered it, Woj, Shams and the rest of guys wouldn't talk about it?
We would hear Stephen A Smith yelling some "Spurs offered supermax, Kawhi Leonard didn't say a word...Be a grown man, Kawhi! If you don't like cameras I have a f*ckling radio show"
What's if Kawhi really feels that way? I'm not saying it happened but what's if he feels that his NY doctors' diagnosis of ossifications is right and Spurs' doctors were wrong?
So it's not like "I don't understand", I truly believe the injury and how bad both sides handled it, was the begining of the relationship's issues between Spurs and Kawhi.
If you read Woj or Jabari, the former with inside-sources in Spurs' org and the latter being close to Kawhi's camp, both guys in their articles/tweets agree that the injury was the real issue.
Of course Pop, Parker, Manu comments didn't help and could have bothered Kawhi too. If he really felt that the Spurs mishandled his injury and the franchise didn't support him in public when he needed it, he could have reasons to want out.
But unlike you, I don't buy that he wanted out since preseason and made a "malefic plan" to leave...
Everything Kawhi said in China was about how much he wanted to win other ring with the Spurs, he talked in what he was working to improve his game and how it could improve the Spurs too...
Also, Kawhi doesn't need to use an injury as excuse to leave...Players don't need it.
Hayward, KD left their teams without giving a reason, they just wrote articles on Player Tribune talking about how much they thanked their former teams and that was all.
They were the franchise players, they could have resigned with their teams but didn't it...And they didn't give reasons why...because players don't need "reasons" to leave.
Some people think Kawhi wasn't injured, I think the opposite.Kawhi sat out the entire year then completely sabotaged his trade value with the Spurs. Something is wrong. I can't for sure say what the injury was about but he had since May of last year to rehab that injury. You sound naive to deny that it could easily have been a way too cautious plan to get the supermax, no trade clause, and then demand a trade to LA this off season. No one will probably ever know for sure. Uncle Dennis's story is suspect too. I think in shelburne's article he started dabbling in RE investments and made $10M + in one year. If their is ever an insider trading transaction that one reeked of it and then he completely talks for his nephew now. That is not Spurs Supermax material right there.
Some people think Kawhi is the first and only player in NBA history to miss a season due to injury, I think the opposite.
Some people think Kawhi needs "a plan" to leave, I think the opposite.
The Philly package is just so meh. I know the Spurs won't get a good return back but:
-Take a chance to see if Fultz recovers from the yips, not to mention also plays the same position as Murray
-B Level Prospect in Saric
-RoCo' terrible contract
-Have to hope the Heat don't get very good in the next 2 years so the 2021 pick is actually top 5
Just not that high on any of those pieces.
That sounds about right. They may not even need Kawhi in LA, they could trade and get Kemba, a Lebron/PG/Kemba team would be really good.
I think the Spurs are trying to do their due diligence with Kawhi which includes mending fences to at least the point Kawhi works with organization on getting value back for him. Even LA I am sure are not including much knowing they can probably sign him next year for nothing. Spurs are trying to convince him to go East and sign.
Do you really think that if Spurs would have offered it, Woj, Shams and the rest of guys wouldn't talk about it?
We would hear Stephen A Smith yelling some "Spurs offered supermax, Kawhi Leonard didn't say a word...Be a grown man, Kawhi! If you don't like cameras I have a f*ckling radio show"
What's if Kawhi really feels that way? I'm not saying it happened but what's if he feels that his NY doctors' diagnosis of ossifications is right and Spurs' doctors were wrong?
So it's not like "I don't understand", I truly believe the injury and how bad both sides handled it, was the begining of the relationship's issues between Spurs and Kawhi.
If you read Woj or Jabari, the former with inside-sources in Spurs' org and the latter being close to Kawhi's camp, both guys in their articles/tweets agree that the injury was the real issue.
Of course Pop, Parker, Manu comments didn't help and could have bothered Kawhi too. If he really felt that the Spurs mishandled his injury and the franchise didn't support him in public when he needed it, he could have reasons to want out.
But unlike you, I don't buy that he wanted out since preseason and made a "malefic plan" to leave...
Everything Kawhi said in China was about how much he wanted to win other ring with the Spurs, he talked in what he was working to improve his game and how it could improve the Spurs too...
Also, Kawhi doesn't need to use an injury as excuse to leave...Players don't need it.
Hayward, KD left their teams without giving a reason, they just wrote articles on Player Tribune talking about how much they thanked their former teams and that was all.
It’s simple man ..Woj or whoever said Kawhi isn’t worried about losing the SuperMax right? Was that not reported? It’s about the diagnosis and what stems from it. Any hesitation by Spurs comes from that situation...
And that’s the problem you seem to ignore or not understand...there’s credibility and integrity being attacked by both sides..you’ve clearly picked Kawhi and that’s cool.
And Jalen Rose first reported about Kawhi wanting out in January..before the meeting and all other drama BS you and his camp come up with
I've said that I truly believe that any Spurs-Kawhi issue started with the injury and how both sides handled it. You don't have to convince me about that.
Not sure if I just picked Kawhi's side. I like to hear the two points of views. Most fans here are willing to believe only Spurs' version and I'm not comfortable with that...And that’s the problem you seem to ignore or not understand...there’s credibility and integrity being attacked by both sides..you’ve clearly picked Kawhi and that’s cool.
I tend to think that teams are still too much powerful in a "league of players", I find ironic that most players can't match the power of the organizations.
Jalen Rose never was part of Kawhi's friends. Many guys on media were saying they were close to Kawhi but it wasn't true. You can bet that Jabari Young is too much close to Kawhi's camp than Rose.And Jalen Rose first reported about Kawhi wanting out in January..before the meeting and all other drama BS you and his camp come up with
That would be best case scenario...for the Spurs. That slams the door, and nails it shut, on Kawhi to the Lakers.
The silence from Uncle Dennis & crew since the trade request is interesting. I venture to guess that we'll hear from those idiots by way of media leaks sometime this week before Free Agency starts tbh.
i think it is quite possible that lebron does another one year deal in cleveland.
Probably scrambling for a new slant. I'm sure they expected the Spurs to blink and move Kawhi before the draft.
That's what i'm thinking as well. I think it hit them hard that the Spurs might actually consider dragging it out. Luckily for them, I still think RC and Pop will cave soon and he'll be a Laker by the time Bron verball commits there.
I think, or at least hope, that if SA is going to trade him it will be in the next 2 weeks during free agency. If you are going to trade him no real reason to let it drag on to far into things that way you can plan your free agency as well and what you will do.
Unless the offers are so poor that keeping him is the more preferred option, then I can’t see it lingering on too much longer. It will be an extension or trade in the next 10-14 days IMO and has nothing to do with the silence.
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