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    Murder is illegal except if you decide to be irresponsible despite (unless you're ing Boots or DerpJohn levels of re ed) simple cause and effect knowledge of unprotected sex. It's a god damn shame and the fact that abhorrent Leftist Nazis like Hillary co-sign murder because human lives that can't vote are worthless to her and hence the push for illegal immigrants having more rights than unborn, but living Muricans have because stretch marks and "leading a life" weighs heavier than casual murder in our society. This is one conservative value I can never compromise. It's disgusting to me that unwanted cats and dogs will outlive innocent lives and that these living, breathing human beings are discarded as garbage. It's vile, disgusting and it's murder and shows how laughable those that argue with "science" and/or human rights are and just how really disingenuous they are.
    I was raised Catholic and felt the same way until my ex wife got pregnant 6 months after we had my daughter. She was adamant that she did not want to have another child then, and there was no way I could force her to. I was against it, and we talked about it, but it ended up being for the best. Two years later we were divorced. Until you've been in that situation I think it's impossible to understand what can go into making that decision, and how hard it is. Yes, there are people who treat it as birth control after the fact, but it is not a clear cut black and white issue that people try and make it out to be. The people that go through it have to deal with what they did.

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    or just sterilize them?
    nope not that either

    i'm all for education on contraception and easy access to contraceptives. and in the event things go wrong, not forcing them to parent a child that they're not ready for on a financial, emotional, or maturity level. i dont think society will benefit from having more kids brought up in those conditions

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    I was raised Catholic and felt the same way until my ex wife got pregnant 6 months after we had my daughter. She was adamant that she did not want to have another child then, and there was no way I could force her to. I was against it, and we talked about it, but it ended up being for the best. Two years later we were divorced. Until you've been in that situation I think it's impossible to understand what can go into making that decision, and how hard it is. Yes, there are people who treat it as birth control after the fact, but it is not a clear cut black and white issue that people try and make it out to be. The people that go through it have to deal with what they did.
    yeah, i had been fairly conflicted on this issue when growing up. pretty sure i've said here that i was much more conservative in my teen years and have basically been slowly sliding left since.

    man, i remember the first time my gf (then gf, now wife) had a scare when she was like 2 days late on her period. we always used protection... but freaked the out anyway. trying to figure out how it could have happened, where we could have misused the condom... ultimately there was never hesitation and we both said if it came to it we'd get it taken care of. no way we'd have been in the position to raise a kid.

    i was shorta shocked at myself at how quickly i came to that conclusion without any internal struggle. luckily it never came to that, as i got the "you're not a baby daddy" text the next day... but it would have been the right decision. i probably wouldn't have been able to go to law school, she'd have to have given up her med school hopes, etc. and the kid would have had a pretty ty upbringing all things considered.

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    Wait, wait, wait...

    Science says nothing actually.

    Science says what is your definition of life? and further a human life for philosophy
    In textbooks for students they attempt to define what they are going to use as a working definition of life.

    Sure pro abortion/choice are going to bring up this point. And sure some are going to say it’s not a life because... but I would say that’s a minority. What they will say is YOU go to the women and tell her she can’t do that and then YOU adopt the child. Saying life begins at conception is really quite silly. You are using a scientific sequence of events to set a judgement about what life, and a human life, is. That’s treading on philosophical grounds. You really got to do some pontification and shaky logic.

    Having said all this I totally respect the pro life movement and those that step to the plate (adopt)
    Science teacher says science doesn't define what is or isn't life or what is or isn't human. It's all subjective according to science.

    smh today's teachers

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    Science teacher says science doesn't define what is or isn't life or what is or isn't human. It's all subjective according to science.

    smh today's teachers
    yeah back in my day, scientists would more boldly proclaim stuff that they weren't sure about!

    those were the days

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    nope not that either

    i'm all for education on contraception and easy access to contraceptives. and in the event things go wrong, not forcing them to parent a child that they're not ready for on a financial, emotional, or maturity level. i dont think society will benefit from having more kids brought up in those conditions
    It would be a lot easier to be against abortions if right wingers weren't against contraception and sex education.

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    nope not that either

    i'm all for education on contraception and easy access to contraceptives. and in the event things go wrong, not forcing them to parent a child that they're not ready for on a financial, emotional, or maturity level. i dont think society will benefit from having more kids brought up in those conditions
    Why do you feel killing the children of unread, unprepared, and financially deficient parents while allowing them to continue to reproduce is a more efficient or more moral solution than killing those parents or just sterilizing them?

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    Why do you feel killing the children of unread, unprepared, and financially deficient parents while allowing them to continue to reproduce is a more efficient or more moral solution than killing those parents or just sterilizing them?
    i dont think society would benefit from having couples killed because they weren't careful in the manner in which they had sex. i also dont think society would benefit from having unwilling parents being forced to have and raise kids when they are admittedly not ready.

    i would also argue that reproduction is a very basic human right that probably shouldn't be infringed upon too much

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    lol StrawBoy

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    yeah back in my day, scientists would more boldly proclaim stuff that they weren't sure about!

    those were the days
    yeah they used to say this coffee mug I'm holding wasn't alive and wasn't a human. I guess now they're not sure. #progress

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    yeah they used to say this coffee mug I'm holding wasn't alive and wasn't a human. I guess now they're not sure. #progress
    thats the most ridiculous argument i've seen today. and on a forum that includes Chris and spurtacular, that's honestly an impressive feat

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    I was raised Catholic and felt the same way until my ex wife got pregnant 6 months after we had my daughter. She was adamant that she did not want to have another child then, and there was no way I could force her to. I was against it, and we talked about it, but it ended up being for the best. Two years later we were divorced. Until you've been in that situation I think it's impossible to understand what can go into making that decision, and how hard it is. Yes, there are people who treat it as birth control after the fact, but it is not a clear cut black and white issue that people try and make it out to be. The people that go through it have to deal with what they did.

    sorry to hear that. i agree with this post too.

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    thats the most ridiculous argument i've seen today. and on a forum that includes Chris and spurtacular, that's honestly an impressive feat
    you're the one saying science isn't sure about what is or isn't life

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    you're the one saying science isn't sure about what is or isn't life
    you are free to point me to published scientific papers identifying the point at which a human is considered to be alive

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    Scientific papers = Bible for 21

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    Scientific papers = Bible for 21
    chris, master conflater

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    61,000,000 (million) babies aborted since Roe v Wade in the U.S.

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    Lol some of them might be old enough now that trump would not have won

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    President Donald Trump said Friday he has narrowed down his search for a seat on the Supreme Court to about five finalists, including two women, and will announce his pick on July 9.

    Trump spoke about his plans for nominating a replacement for retiring Justice Anthony Kennedy aboard Air Force One en route to Bedminster, New Jersey.

    A person familiar with the process said White House officials are focused primarily on five federal appeals court judges -- Brett Kavanaugh, Amy Coney Barrett, Thomas Hardiman, Raymond Kethledge and Amul Thapar -- all Republican appointees with conservative track record

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    This should he hilarious. Please pick a woman. Cant wait for the confirmation hearings.

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    Democrats attacking an accomplished woman.

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    Democrats attacking an accomplished woman.
    dems had no problem attacking devos. though she doesn't really qualify as an accomplished woman.

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    Science teacher says science doesn't define what is or isn't life or what is or isn't human. It's all subjective according to science.

    smh today's teachers
    You think biology teachers should just teach human biology or what? What is your viewing the following?

    Science teachers MUST teach viruses, are they alive? Tell the board?
    Science teachers must teach about bacteria and The dormant spores that form in critical stiuations, are they alive?
    Some molecules can self replicate, is this life? Are these molecules alive?

    You think this is some sort of game? It’s not. You must define what you talk about in science.

    So the great and powerful Snakeboy has decided a human life begins at conception? What’s your reasoning? And please don’t answer the above, you are heading for a headache. I imagine most HS Science teachers in Texas do teach this as it’s some simplistic given.

    It’s not.

    You used a scientifically discovered stage in sexual reproduction YOURSELF to define a life and you prounounce that stage as, human life begins here.
    That’s funny, and incredibly ignorant.

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    Top Trump prospect for open Supreme Court seat claims presidents are above prosecution and investigations



    A leading contender to be appointed to the Supreme Court is a highly partisan Republican who holds an extremist view of presidential power,

    he’s argued that the president should not be distracted by civil lawsuits, criminal investigations or even questions from attorneys while in office.

    despite that stance, Kavanaugh worked under Ken Starr as one of the attorneys investigating Bill Clinton.

    he has more recently written a law review article offering an extremist view of presidential power.

    A president should not have to face “time-consuming and distracting” investigations or lawsuits because they “ill serve the public interest, especially in times of financial or national security crisis.”

    Kavanaugh is a Roman Catholic who opposes abortion rights.

    https://www.rawstory.com/2018/06/top...e+Raw+Story%29

    Goddamn, yet another extreme right wing ideologue is a ing Catholic. Sounds like he think the US Pres should act like a Pope



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    pgardn grandstanding again, but no one knows what he's talking about

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