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    We were never going to get the same value in return. Kawhi pooped all over the Spurs. There was no way to recover because of his stupid PR.
    Props for keeping us informed on the back room stuff!

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    Pop deserves better ...

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    Great analysis by timvp. Agree with most of it. Giving up Danny is a tough pill to swallow especially considering the team now has no 3&D proven players. I would've loved to know what would the Raps exclude from their part of the deal if DG wasn't involved.
    Right now number one priority should be trying to find someone with some similarities to Dannys game in the trade market (Mills for someone on a equally bad contract that could shoot and defend for example, Snell or Courtney Lee come to mind).
    Murray's fit with the current roster is questionable imo at this point. Even though his defense is a much valued comodity with this current squad his lack of shooting is an agravant to the spacing problem. Trading him for someone with similar potential from a quantative standpoint but different qualities would be something worth exploring.

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    Your "calling it now" takes lately have been about as reliable and consistent as Trump's admission that Russia meddles in US elections.
    IF he does not, He does not.
    I'll be honest this fiasco along with his injury has given me pause that Kawhi is the answer, especially after seeing how classy Pop was in his pressor.
    I believe in Ingram way more than you do obviously and even if he flames out we have Lebron and cap flexibilty.
    I'm not sweating the oh might fall in love with toronto angle or he may choose the clippers over us.
    He does either of those things he is not the star we need anyways.
    Hart upped his value that was the only thing that matter in SL and Svi and Wagner showed flashes.
    Kuzma made all rookie first team.
    Lonzo gets healthy we have plenty of assets to make a move for another star.
    KL is just one option.
    What ? What takes have I missed on?

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    TOR absolutely crushed this trade. It was a homerun even if Kawhi never sets foot in TOR. Spurs definitely caved and I am truly shocked they couldn’t get a better pick and/or OG. I dont blame them, but I am still shocked.
    tbh any team on the other side of the Kawhi trade was going to crush it.

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    Kiwi nothing like "Playoff P"

    Kiwi from Killa Cali, yet yall deported him to the North Pole. You think he staying there?
    I DOUBT HE STAYS BUT YOU ARE WASTING A YEAR OF JAMES

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    What the am I reading? Do you guys really think teams are going to gamble on Kawhi? There are already rumors that he's considering sitting the entire 2018 season. This isn't mid-2016, and other teams have eyes and ears. They know Kawhi intentionally took himself out of last season.

    This is way, way more than I would have expected us to get given the cir stances. You guys were expecting the moon when we have a headcase of a player who has said he only wants to play for the Lakers. If you were a GM not named Pelinka, would you buy Kawhi right now?

    Raptors fans are really upset by this trade. That should tell you all you need to know about the relative value we're giving.
    Great post. Most Spurfan here is delusional. Nobody wanted to offer anything. You hope PATFO can pull a trick out of the hat without a hat. We were gonna get waxed no matter what. Duh. Top 3 player doesn't yield equal value ever. The next best offer was a paltry Saric, Covington and pick. LMAO..Just be glad this is over and we can move on. All NBA player and 4 time All Star is better than Saric and Cvington.

    We won 47 games last year and were a couple games out of third in the West. Demar while no playoff monster led his team to first in the East. I think it's safe to say we'll be hovering around 60 wins and top 3 in the West. Houston is weaker and are planning on adding Carmelo lol. We have an outside shot at second. Really feel we are gonna do really well in the season but the playoffs may be a disaster. We'll see if the culture and Pop have any affect on Demar. This is all based on if we are healthy. There is a lot of upside with this team tho depending on what Murray can do and if White can be what we think he can be. Also have a reliable shooter like Marco should help. I think the problem with the shooters was that the missing was contagious. Danny while good on d, hasn't had his stroke in like 3 years. Just need one knock down shooter to release the pressure valve. Good shooting is contagious.

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    Lakers got Bron/Rondo/Mcgee and Lance but lost Randle and Brook Lopez.
    OKC chose staying way over the cap for a team led by Russ/PG and Melo (for now) ...they couls have paid almost the same for a team with KD/Harden and Russ

    Spurs turned Kawhi, Danny Green, Kyle Anderson and Enrique in to $83 million of DD, Poetl, a protected 1st, Belli and dante Cuningham

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    Something we need to keep an eye on is whether Kawhi shows up for his physical within the next 48 hours or not and/or whether Toronto waives his physical exam.

    I like what the Spurs did. DDR was the BEST player any team offered to us. His defense is a concern, but we are a better team than last year. There is no deny about that. So I expect the Spurs to make the playoffs while developing our young players; DJ, Lonnie, Derrick, Jaron, Metu, Davis, Bryn at least half of them will turn out to be solid NBA players. And if one or two becomes an ALL-STAR say DJ and Lonnie, then we are set.

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    Lakers got Bron/Rondo/Mcgee and Lance but lost Randle and Brook Lopez.
    OKC chose staying way over the cap for a team led by Russ/PG and Melo (for now) ...they couls have paid almost the same for a team with KD/Harden and Russ

    Spurs turned Kawhi, Danny Green, Kyle Anderson and Enrique in to $83 million of DD, Poetl, a protected 1st, Belli and dante Cuningham
    What are you going on about? You got that triggered from me saying PG chose Methlahoma over the Lakers which is true.

    Killa, you need to make up your mind. either you're coming around here to play nice and hedge on every single take you have or troll grey Spurfan. I don't think you're particularly good at either but this flip flopping has to be difficult for you my man

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    No - those dudes suck and I’m not high on Ingram like others. I think SA still could have been a playoff team with a chance at a younger person developing but they would be worse now with them vs DeRozan IMO.

    I think LA screwed the pooch here. They alienated Kawhi and now Ingram/Kuz have to really bust out into stars or they basically run the risk of doing nothing with Lebron. They may get Kawhi or another star, but if the young guys aren’t stars in the next 1-2 years, then it’s not enough and their “upside” trade value goes way down.
    That's how the Lakers really ed this up. They're basically putting an entire season of prime LeBron on mortgage because they didn't want to give up young talent.

    LeBron + Kawhi could run with any team in the league. But LeBron is leaving his prime soon, and by the time the young bucks are good enough to contend, he'll be on the wrong side of 38.

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    TOR absolutely crushed this trade. It was a homerun even if Kawhi never sets foot in TOR. Spurs definitely caved and I am truly shocked they couldn’t get a better pick and/or OG. I dont blame them, but I am still shocked.
    that, I blame them 100%. The only good thing about this trade is sending Kawhi as far away from LA as possible.

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    ^ agreed

    Watch, SA will have a better record than LA with Lebron and they will shut up

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    That wasn't offered.
    CIA Pop won't say what he wanted from Maginka. But yall wanted the whole farm and future picks from what I read. Boiled down: your hatred for the Lakers netted you 40 cents on the dollar. DeFrozen might not even make the Western Conference all star team, yet you traded your franchise player for him

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    Since we apparently have a slew of people who have direct lines to GMs in this league, what other offers were made for Kawhi? Keep in mind that hearing it on RealGM or Lakersground doesn't count.

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    Does derozan make the all star team in the west?

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    Playoff P from Killa Cali picked living in Methlahoma for the next 4 years over your sorry asses tbh
    At least Methlahoma is in the states. Kiwi now needs a passport to attend his autism classes after practice. That's some bull son

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    Also, White needs to be in the rotation. Him and Murray's possible development are the only things worth looking forward to next season.

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    Also, White needs to be in the rotation. Him and Murray's possible development are the only things worth looking forward to next season.
    And Manu, hopefully..

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    Truth bombs. He's still a slightly better 3pt shooter than DeFrozen and a much better defender.

    And to give up your franchise player for that package? Worse than what we got for Shaq in 2004 IMO. DeFrozen a nice player, but at $27 milli? And he has to battle in the West? Damn.
    Shaq didn't sit out the season and say he was only going to one place.

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    DeRozan would be your 2nd best player. .
    ill take playoff rondo over playoffs derozan

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    At least Methlahoma is in the states. Kiwi now needs a passport to attend his autism classes after practice. That's some bull son
    At least that will be covered now that he's in a nation with a real healthcare system.

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    And Manu, hopefully..
    I'm leaning to not wanting Manu back, tbh. I just want the Spurs to get one bonafide SF, at least one.

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    No - those dudes suck and I’m not high on Ingram like others. I think SA still could have been a playoff team with a chance at a younger person developing but they would be worse now with them vs DeRozan IMO.

    I think LA screwed the pooch here. They alienated Kawhi and now Ingram/Kuz have to really bust out into stars or they basically run the risk of doing nothing with Lebron. They may get Kawhi or another star, but if the young guys aren’t stars in the next 1-2 years, then it’s not enough and their “upside” trade value goes way down.
    Fair points. I don't know about screwing the pooch though. Theory: Ingram and Kuz will both eat well while every team focuses on stopping the Kang. Tatum and Brown feasted for the same reasons playing off of Kyrie.

    Instead of being 1st options, they're 2nd/3rd options - not drawing the best perimeter defenders. Teams will put their dobermans on LeBron and rightfully so.

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    At least that will be covered now that he's in a nation with a real healthcare system.

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