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    I am an old guy (55). Johnny Moore was one of my favorite players in the early 80s and a hugely underrated PG. Also loved Larry Kenon, FWIW.
    LOL at your logic though. Bron in a weaker East with a better team than he has in LA didn’t win 55+. Are you crazy man?

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    Don't you think that Covington, Saric and Miami's 2021 was a better option than DeRozan and a late first rounder?
    I would have been fine with that knowing what we know now, but 1) all reports said Saric was not actually offered & 2) DeRoan > Saric + Covington as a player(s) for sure. The pick changes the variables but from a player perspective DeRozan is way better than those two. Way better.

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    Anyone think we would have a chance at Otto Porter? And would anyone have interest???

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    would also be funny if charlotte ends up with the point guard rotation of murray/mills/parker

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    I have been telling you since 2009 when Tim Duncan retires, the so-called "GOAT" PATFO was going to be exposed something awful. You know what they say about leading camels to water.....

    On a side not, Have you bought your Raptors season tickets yet?
    Lol. You think you're proving your point? This team nearly kept alive a 50 game win streak without presumably (and arguably) their 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 5th or 6th players for minor to very significant absences. Especially when the 1 and 3 in that scenario each missed 50%+ of the season...

    Name me another coach that spitballs together a playoff appearance let alone nearly 50 wins...I'll see myself out now.

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    Anyone think we would have a chance at Otto Porter? And would anyone have interest???
    For sure. It’s a gamble but absolutely

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    I really hope he does but I highly, highly doubt that Murray makes the necessary leap to get the Spurs in a good spot next season.

    If it was true that Pop told Kawhi theres a trade out there to add another all-star, they should definitely explore it at this point tbh
    I actually like Murray's upsside and think he will be big part of you winning 50 games.
    Yup, after trading Danny and the other wing losses, he the team's best perimeter defender. He's so young he will improve. He needs to make a leap offensively but he is hungry. I think Pop is sold on him enough to find out what he has in his 3rd season. Spurs do have other young players.

    Personally I get DPG point but kinda expect them to stop. Perhaps be opportunistic if a wing is dangled during the season. And they really nee help there.

    I do expect Pop to try to coerce the most out of Cunningham, Davis and Bryn for example b4 he looks around.

    More likely than not perhaps bring wings to compete with BP3, like Blossomgame or somebody new. They once uncovered Danny like that and may try again.

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    Good call on Winslow. A true wing defender is something they need to not be such a paper tiger. It's fine that they just got better offensively. But they got much worse on the other end and that matters too especially in the west with so many offensive wings. I was wondering if Walker could help them bc besides being athletic he has strength and wingspan. I don't count on him bc if the rook factor, but maybe Spurs will go after a wing like Winslow.
    Walker is just too small/slight to have him defend James, Durant, Butler, George, Leonard, Antetokounmpo, etc.

    There's a shortage of big SF/combo forwards who are at least competent at 3 and D (even Winslow is only 6'6'', with a 6'10'' wingspan). Part of it is because a lot of them now veer towards being PF's. Anunoby was one of the few who fit the mold of the former, which is why it was a massive blow to not get him.

    If they can't address it in the next year, Leonard leaves (Raptors would pivot into a re-build by default) and Green doesn't fall further, I wouldn't rule out his being brought back.

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    I am an old guy (55). Johnny Moore was one of my favorite players in the early 80s and a hugely underrated PG. Also loved Larry Kenon, FWIW.
    Anyone think we would have a chance at Otto Porter? And would anyone have interest???
    I think we could legitimately have a shot at porter or Wiggins and an outside shot at butler or beal.

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    LOL at your logic though. Bron in a weaker East with a better team than he has in LA didn’t win 55+. Are you crazy man?
    We must agree to disagree, then.

    1 - I do not think the 2017-18 CAVS minus LBJ are better than the 2018-19 Lakers w/o LBJ.

    2 - The Lakers core guys - Ingram, Kuzma, Ball, Hart - should naturally progress into better players. Adding LeBron to the mix should improve upon the natural progression. As sports fans, we automatically downgrade & denigrate our rivals' players, so the ST mantra is that Ball is a bust, Kuzma is overrated and already at his ceiling, Ingram is a twig and is 3-4 years away, etc. Around the league, however, (and according to the metrics), those guys are rising stocks (even Ball with his fugly jumper).

    3 - We were projecting going from 35 wins to 40-44 WITHOUT adding LeBron. With him should add a minimum of 10 more than that.

    4 - I'm still expecting another major addition before training camp starts.

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    I'm fine if you want to keep Dejounte but they need a 3/wing defender badly tbh. Hopefully Pau and the two first rounders can be moved to fill that void.

    Losing Danny (on a good contract) was so dumb since he fills a need this team desperately needs right now. I haven't reviewed the financials but man there had to be another way to get it done without losing him. Incredibly dumb by RC.

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    Lol. You think you're proving your point? This team nearly kept alive a 50 game win streak without presumably (and arguably) their 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 5th or 6th players for minor to very significant absences. Especially when the 1 and 3 in that scenario each missed 50%+ of the season...

    Name me another coach that spitballs together a playoff appearance let alone nearly 50 wins...I'll see myself out now.
    Becky?? A washing machine?

    I would argue that a better coach probably adds 10 more wins to the Spurs total. His coaching and rotations were abysmal. They were a Sacramento implosion away from missing the postseason. Are you calling a career loser coming off a career threatening injury the third best player on the Spurs team? I don't know if Gay should be happy or sad that the two times he's made the playoffs, it had nothing to do with him.
    Last edited by Hoops Czar; 07-18-2018 at 08:12 PM.

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    Man, those Pau and Patty deals are so ing bad. They were bad before and look even worse now in hindsight.

    I'd attach anything I can to get those off the books and pray to god that a team gives you a useful player back in return.

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    I wonder if there's any way of getting Jimmy Butler.

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    I'm fine if you want to keep Dejounte but they need a 3/wing defender badly tbh. Hopefully Pau and the two first rounders can be moved to fill that void.

    Losing Danny (on a good contract) was so dumb since he fills a need this team desperately needs right now. I haven't reviewed the financials but man there had to be another way to get it done without losing him. Incredibly dumb by RC.
    Danny on his own could have probably got us more than what he got us attached to Kawhi.

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    David Griffin on NBA TV just said that the Spurs have a plan going forward and it could include flipping DD this season. Fwiw

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    David Griffin on NBA TV just said that the Spurs have a plan going forward and it could include flipping DD this season. Fwiw
    How the would the former Cavs Gm know anything about the Spurs future plans?

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    Yup, after trading Danny and the other wing losses, he the team's best perimeter defender. He's so young he will improve. He needs to make a leap offensively but he is hungry. I think Pop is sold on him enough to find out what he has in his 3rd season. Spurs do have other young players.

    Personally I get DPG point but kinda expect them to stop. Perhaps be opportunistic if a wing is dangled during the season. And they really nee help there.

    I do expect Pop to try to coerce the most out of Cunningham, Davis and Bryn for example b4 he looks around.

    More likely than not perhaps bring wings to compete with BP3, like Blossomgame or somebody new. They once uncovered Danny like that and may try again.
    I actually agree with you nearly 100% on this post. Especially the last two points.

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    David Griffin on NBA TV just said that the Spurs have a plan going forward and it could include flipping DD this season. Fwiw
    I find that truly hard to believe. I think Griffin doesn’t love the deal, doesn’t get why SA didn’t wait longer if this was the best as it can’t get worse if Kawhi shows he’s healthy and is just assuming that SA did this now because they have a bigger plan.

    I think SA knew this was it, were ready and that nothing Kawhi said or did would help and they didn’t want to risk getting nothing.

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    I wonder if there's any way of getting Jimmy Butler.
    Wouldn't that be sweet. Pau, Derrick White and a combination of picks (1st and 2nd rounder). Do it RC. It's totally not feasible or worth it for the T-Wolves to do it, but F them.

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    DeRozan being flipped for Butler would make sense

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    DeRozan being flipped for Butler would make sense
    sign me up tbh

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    Wouldn't that be sweet. Pau, Derrick White and a combination of picks (1st and 2nd rounder). Do it RC. It's totally not feasible or worth it for the T-Wolves to do it, but F them.
    I wouldn't trade White.

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    DeRozan being flipped for Butler would make sense
    Maybe. Would do it in a heartbeat.

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    Spurs wanted to keep winning but they aint getting nowhere in the POs with Lamarsha and DeChokezan

    Wake up

    Nobody is getting past the Warriors, period, so moot point. The only people fans want to beat are The Raps and Lakers now.

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