Spurs Need to Go All-In

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

You can’t trade consecutive first round picks.

And to those saying the Toronto pick is “worthless”, it’ll likely fall in the same range where the Spurs have gotten the Andersons, Murrays, CoJos, etc. of the world recently. It’s going to be fine.

Just hope it doesn’t turn into two second rounders. That would totally suck. I’m surprised the Spurs didn’t also get a pick swap sometime in the future. But Masai wanted to maintain flexibility for a full rebuild.

Not sure why people scoff at the two 2nd round picks - if Toronto keep this year's first it'd mean they've crashed and are likely to begin a rebuild. Thus Spurs would get their 2020 and 2021 second round picks which would project to be in the 30s.

Don't forget the 2021 draft will be loaded due to the rule changes so an early 2nd round pick then will be more useful than a late 2019 first round pick. Almost makes you hope the snake poisons them too and they flop this season

[Chinook]

Not sure why people scoff at the two 2nd round picks - if Toronto keep this year's first it'd mean they've crashed and are likely to begin a rebuild. Thus Spurs would get their 2020 and 2021 second round picks which would project to be in the 30s.

Don't forget the 2021 draft will be loaded due to the rule changes so an early 2nd round pick then will be more useful than a late 2019 first round pick. Almost makes you hope the snake poisons them too and they flop this season

Change won't happen until 2022. Probably is what took Philly out of the running.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Change won't happen until 2022. Probably is what took Philly out of the running.

Oh well.

[Chinook]

Oh well.

I still don't quite know why the Spurs gave into the trade today/yesterday. I do remember a rumor about the deal came out a few days ago, and it had SA sending the pick. Maybe that was accurate reporting of the Raps' offer, and SA eventually go them to include what they did. But the more I look at this, the more it seems like Toronto would have let SA get DeRozan for free. Maybe the pick swing would have been different. They just needed something better, whether that was more salary relief, an additional/better prospect not just not having to use Green. I think SA will be a LOT better than folks are expecting, but I don't like their haul here.

Maybe Green was part of the "locker-room divide" I've been seeing brought up today. He sided with Leonard a lot, and other folks who may have been part of that like Simmons, Dedmon and Anderson are also gone.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

I still don't quite know why the Spurs gave into the trade today/yesterday. I do remember a rumor about the deal came out a few days ago, and it had SA sending the pick. Maybe that was accurate reporting of the Raps' offer, and SA eventually go them to include what they did. But the more I look at this, the more it seems like Toronto would have let SA get DeRozan for free. Maybe the pick swing would have been different. They just needed something better, whether that was more salary relief, an additional/better prospect not just not having to use Green. I think SA will be a LOT better than folks are expecting, but I don't like their haul here.

Maybe Green was part of the "locker-room divide" I've been seeing brought up today. He sided with Leonard a lot, and other folks who may have been part of that like Simmons, Dedmon and Anderson are also gone.

I agree the Spurs will be good and as much as most people, including myself, don't like DeRozan's game there's a reason he's on all NBA teams and in this sense he's very underrated.

Not sure about the fit but can't argue against getting a top 15 player for someone who wouldn't even sit on the bench. They'll have a ton of tradeable pieces and it'll be an exciting season when it comes to speculation and trade rumours. I don't see them keeping both picks, they definitely have at least one more move to make, even if it's as late as the trade deadline. If they could get Butler and have him sign an extension it'd be a very solid team, although far from beating the Warriors.

[venitian navigator]

...if its true, Like Kori said, tht the medical has been waiwed from the negotiations, that puts a total different light on the trade. And the 5 millions we had to give them confirms it.
Looks like they decided to mantain their integrity at all costs...and proceeding on eliminating all players (last year Simmons and Deadmon, this year Kiwhi...better say his uncle) trying to sabotage the winning mentality (alas team first mentality) that's been builded in years and that is so necessary in a small market team to make it successful.
As for Kyle I don't buy he was a problem but simply the price was too high. As for Green, he was already showing his will to leave, and opted in just because of dry market considerations.
For as much I don't love DDR game one thing has to be said: his carachter is the one of a good human being...and his game has been builded with patience, till reaching the actual success. Apart for the obvious decline by age, his three contract years are still prime years. If he buys in the role Pop is preparing for him, ha has all the tools to shine in our system and gain, in any case, a lot of marketability.
As for Poeltl, he looks like a good soldier...and any time I've seen him play he played well. I think that with playing time he can learn a lot and become something really valuable.

I still think the trade is abysmal and that OG should have been included to make it decent. But the point (explained from eliminating the medical exams from th deal and the 5 millions) is that the absolute priority was to push Kiwhi out from any more contact with any spurs players or coaches as soon as possible...

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

spurs went all in, on kl

[L.I.T]

Ultimately, Spurs are improved from just a month ago - with a more clearcut agenda in terms of culture and focus on winning (I hope). Locker room should be more stable, in all regards. Just by that, the product on the floor should be improved.

I think the front office was also concerned about the type of locker room culture guys like Murray/White/Walker were going to develop in with the insidiousness of Kawhi's malcontentedness and unprofessionalism - even more so if the rumours of J.Simmons/Dedmon and Green forming a clique with him are true. They've cleared that out and brought in a solid locker room presence in Derozan, while adding/retaining stable vets like Belinelli/Gay/Cunningham/Gasol/Mills. Wildcard is LMA, but even his moodiness is more of a quirk than a cancer like Kawhi's.

Long term direction is still under question, but in 2020 or 2021 cap space (depending on what they do) is there. They can even carve out close to $30M next summer with a few easy moves if they're confident in a Murray/Derozan/LMA core.

[outmap]

Butler.

Would a desperate Wolves team go for a Butler for DeRozan trade? They would be securing an all-star for the next three seasons for a guy that would leave for nothing in the offseason. I mean, if PATFO fell for it, maybe Thibs does too.

If we can trade for Butler without giving-up LMA, DJ and DDR then we can contend.

[szkorhetz]

If we can trade for Butler without giving-up LMA, DJ and DDR then we can contend.

But we can't. I don't know who started these Butler rumors, but don't have any chance to get him and that spacing would be likely the worst in the whole NBA.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

But we can't. I don't know who started these Butler rumors, but don't have any chance to get him and that spacing would be likely the worst in the whole NBA.

He wants out of there, albeit in a professional way unlike a certain snake. By the trade deadline the Spurs's two picks and/or rookie contract guys like White/Walker/Poeltl might be the best offer they get for him depending on how their season goes. They're in cap already.

Not likely, of course, but possible.

[FireMicoHalili]

Disparages the Spurs cap situation for a lot of years, but not like San Antonio is a famed free agent destination anyway. If the Spurs had cap space next year I wonder who they would’ve been able to lure. Usually players come here especially during buyout season because of the chance to win a championship but the Spurs have lost that charm.

[SAGirl]

Johnson or Winslow would make a ton of sense. I honestly see DeRozan as the starting SF right now, to the point that any MAJOR acquisition should be for a smaller player. But getting a three who's young and cheap enough to where he can come off the bench if necessary sounds great. I would not consider this representative of going "all-in" however.

DeRozan is a defensive liability even when assigned to The SG spot all his career. I don’t see him doing well “guarding” bigger players and I wonder if that will also affect his offensive game.

How exactly do you see your rotation right now?

Everyone projects Davis to start but I do wonder if it won’t be someone else as well. Somehow I think Pop is still going to want to play his 2 bigs and he wasn’t all that pleased with Davis starting last season, whereas Dijon was allowed to keep his spot, with the Spurs living through his mistakes bc they understood his potential.

Anyways this is a hypothetical. I do consider them to be very close to the luxury tax and limited in what they can do.

I am not convinced they consider Pau or Mills albatrosses and with all the personnel changes expect them to kind of stay put with this group. Pops statement was indicative of this: “we are going to do it again but with better (offensive) talent.”

Its possible they expect Poltl to cover at the rim for a lot of bad perimeter D. I know very little about Jakob but his stats are good and intriguing. I wonder if he might even be starting (if it weren’t for the lack of shooting pushing most likely Gasol to start)

[SpursDynasty85]

I still don't quite know why the Spurs gave into the trade today/yesterday. I do remember a rumor about the deal came out a few days ago, and it had SA sending the pick. Maybe that was accurate reporting of the Raps' offer, and SA eventually go them to include what they did. But the more I look at this, the more it seems like Toronto would have let SA get DeRozan for free. Maybe the pick swing would have been different. They just needed something better, whether that was more salary relief, an additional/better prospect not just not having to use Green. I think SA will be a LOT better than folks are expecting, but I don't like their haul here.

Maybe Green was part of the "locker-room divide" I've been seeing brought up today. He sided with Leonard a lot, and other folks who may have been part of that like Simmons, Dedmon and Anderson are also gone.

Spurs had zero leverage. Windhorst already reporting only the Raptors are bidding and I'm sure they gave the Spurs a timetable. The league was pretty much on Kawhi watch and the Raptors were the only team left standing. Spurs were lucky Raptors wanted a possible rebuild.

[ndbutch]

The Dubs got Cousins. Game over bro.

The history of basketball players trying to come back from his type of injury doesn't support that. People act like he's doing what KD did. It's not remotely the same. Now the Warriors roster apart from him......They won les with Bogut, McGhee and the stiff from last year.

[SAGirl]

...if its true, Like Kori said, tht the medical has been waiwed from the negotiations, that puts a total different light on the trade. And the 5 millions we had to give them confirms it.
Looks like they decided to mantain their integrity at all costs...and proceeding on eliminating all players (last year Simmons and Deadmon, this year Kiwhi...better say his uncle) trying to sabotage the winning mentality (alas team first mentality) that's been builded in years and that is so necessary in a small market team to make it successful.
As for Kyle I don't buy he was a problem but simply the price was too high. As for Green, he was already showing his will to leave, and opted in just because of dry market considerations.
For as much I don't love DDR game one thing has to be said: his carachter is the one of a good human being...and his game has been builded with patience, till reaching the actual success. Apart for the obvious decline by age, his three contract years are still prime years. If he buys in the role Pop is preparing for him, ha has all the tools to shine in our system and gain, in any case, a lot of marketability.
As for Poeltl, he looks like a good soldier...and any time I've seen him play he played well. I think that with playing time he can learn a lot and become something really valuable.

I still think the trade is abysmal and that OG should have been included to make it decent. But the point (explained from eliminating the medical exams from th deal and the 5 millions) is that the absolute priority was to push Kiwhi out from any more contact with any spurs players or coaches as soon as possible...

All good points. I kinda agree.

[SAGirl]

Spurs had zero leverage. Windhorst already reporting only the Raptors are bidding and I'm sure they gave the Spurs a timetable. The league was pretty much on Kawhi watch and the Raptors were the only team left standing. Spurs were lucky Raptors wanted a possible rebuild.

QFE....

[ernest787]

Simmons had a podcast yesterday talking about the trade. They all believe the Spurs won this by getting DD. But more importantly, it seems they have at least some inside info to the trade talks surrounding Kawhi.

According to the pod, the celts were not interested in anything more than a sign and trade involving Marcus Smarts, Morris and possibly one of their first round picks. They also echoed what everyone else has reported that Philly and LA were not offering any of their young talent.

Anyway, it just solidifies the fact that no one was really offering anything for Kawhi. The spurs could have tried to ride this out and make him play, but it seems clear that they felt it wasn’t worth possibly fracturing the team more to see if you can get more value in 6 months.

The more I think about it, I’m happy with the trade. I would have loved getting OG in the trade, but DD should help the Spurs stay compe ive and they will still have some cap flexibility in the coming years to build around DD and LMA.If Murray takes a leap and Walker turns into something, this could be a fun team.

[picnroll]

Change won't happen until 2022. Probably is what took Philly out of the running.

I haven’t seen anywhere that they have set a date, only that the change is in discussion, is considered desirable and would require an amendment to the current CBA agreement that expires in 2024 which is under serious consideration. Did you see somewhere where they’ve established 2022 as the year for implementation?

[ernest787]

I haven’t seen anywhere that they have set a date, only that the change is in discussion, is considered desirable and would require an amendment to the current CBA agreement that expires in 2024 which is under serious consideration. Did you see somewhere where they’ve established 2022 as the year for implementation?

All rumors are pointing to 2022 or 2023 as the likely date and not 2021. Simmons and KOC talked about this on their pod too.Saying that Miami pick isn’t as attractive now knowing that its likely not happinging until at least 2022

[cjw]

Not sure why people scoff at the two 2nd round picks - if Toronto keep this year's first it'd mean they've crashed and are likely to begin a rebuild. Thus Spurs would get their 2020 and 2021 second round picks which would project to be in the 30s.

Don't forget the 2021 draft will be loaded due to the rule changes so an early 2nd round pick then will be more useful than a late 2019 first round pick. Almost makes you hope the snake poisons them too and they flop this season

Per RealGM (couldn’t find it anywhere else), the second rounders would be in 2019 and 2020. That means the 2019 pick would be inside the top 50, but likely in the 40s as the Raptors wouldn’t crap out that badly. And while the 2020 pick could be in the 30s, the Spurs wouldn’t be getting that pick in the deeper 2021 draft.

I’d rather get a pick in the early 20s. If late 20s, then I’m okay punting to two second rounders.

2019 first round draft pick to San Antonio
Toronto's 2019 1st round pick to San Antonio protected for selections 1-20; if this pick falls within its protected range and is therefore not conveyed, then Toronto will instead convey its 2019 2nd round pick and 2020 2nd round pick to San Antonio [San Antonio-Toronto, 7/18/2018]

[FireMicoHalili]

Per RealGM (couldn’t find it anywhere else), the second rounders would be in 2019 and 2020. That means the 2019 pick would be inside the top 50, but likely in the 40s as the Raptors wouldn’t crap out that badly. And while the 2020 pick could be in the 30s, the Spurs wouldn’t be getting that pick in the deeper 2021 draft.

I’d rather get a pick in the early 20s. If late 20s, then I’m okay punting to two second rounders.

People forget this pick is also a tradeable asset/sweetener to any possible deal, especially given their win now mindset.

[acoelho1]

Outside of the Warriors, I can see the Spurs going anywhere from 2 to 5 in west. I think Murray's improvement and White's insertion will be a big factor in our success this year. In addition, Rudy should be stronger and I expect DeRozan to further develop in our system.

[dbestpro]

The thing is the Spurs traded what was a 15th round draft pick, and a journeyman free agent. They have the ability to take players of lesser value and give them greater value. They've been doing this going back to Bruce Bowen and Avery Johnson. There is no reason to think they will not be able to do the same with someone or a few players on the current roster. Maybe Forbes comes with acid in his veins, or Bertans smooths out his game. White looks like he could really contribute. Someone, will emerge.

[picnroll]

People forget this pick is also a tradeable asset/sweetener to any possible deal, especially given their win now mindset.

I thought the draft change was likely in 2021. Didn’t realize a second round pick might occur in 2019. If true crap.