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I agree. I think they’re as play with the Wiz (plus I think there are lockerroom issues there).
Beal would be insane here, but i don’t think they just salary dump him. Porter has a crazy contract. He’d fit the SF gap but I’d want more.
The protections are overrated. Even if it were unprotected it probably would have landed in that range anyway if KL plays. The East is still utter .
I agree. I think they’re as play with the Wiz (plus I think there are lockerroom issues there).
Beal would be insane here, but i don’t think they just salary dump him. Porter has a crazy contract. He’d fit the SF gap but I’d want more.
Wiz just added Dwight Howard and Austin Rivers - they're trying to make a run, not salary dump or tank.
Yeah, we’ll see where that Howard experiment is by Christmas. I think they’d love to move Porter if they could.
What do you mean by "maintain their integrity"?
Wouldn't it have been better for the Spurs if there was a medical and it proved nothing is wrong with him, or do you guys think he really does have a degenerative condition? If he is 100% healthy, then a physical would have been a good thing that could have made the Spurs look better, and if they were confident he is 100% healthy and would pass the physical, maybe the Spurs could have asked for more?
Or was getting the Raptors to waive the physical just to make sure Kawhi doesn't skip it and void the trade? If there was a physical and he didn't show up (even if he is 100% healthy), would the trade have been cancelled?
Please move Porter here to the Spurs love the guy fits perfectly and he would get the shots he deserves here and in this system I could see him flourishing.
Otto Porter Jr. would be a great addition to the Spurs. Grunfeld is a horrible GM, so it could be done.
What do you guys honestly think it would take to get Otto porter jr. Realistically!!!
Washington has no reason to dump one of the best young wings in the league. If they did that they could say goodbye to Wall.
I was speaking more in the sense of the way they behave as a team, more than all the "get over yourself way". Its not something new that players like Simmons, Deadmon gave problems pretending to be paid and have minutes like stars just one year after their best career stats have been made inside the system...they behaved in an egoistic way, that's not our way. So my way or the highway. Imho, apart any considerations on their personality, they made weird choices, receiving from other teams maybe the same money the Spurs would have given them, but playing in losing environments and probsbly lacking future developments in their game.
That said, you have a point thinking that the (not only moral but also phisycal) integrity has been part of the Kiwhi trade...bcause if its true, like has been reported, that they waiwed the phisical from the trade, the only point is nthat the Spurs were not that sure about Kiwhi real conditions...if its true that the medicals from the Kiwhi's group have never been shown to them. So they wanted to avoid at all costs the risk to have back a not only disgruntled but also possibly broken, player.
Great post Raybies could not have said it better !!!!!
If you mean Beal, yes. Porter and his inflated deal? I think they’re happy to move that one if they can.
Trade LMA and DD. Tank until you get a franchise player.
This may seem odd, but Bruce Bowen did not come to the Spurs until he was 30. His stats up to that point are very similar to Dante Cunningham. Dante is listed as a defensive minded SF who can also play PF. He just turned 31. Avery Johnson, Bruce Bowen, and Danny Green were all bench players who became critical components in the Spurs success. Perhaps Cunningham will bring some of the same magic.
I meant Porter. Yeah, his deal is inflated but Wall would likely see it as a sign that they were not willing to spend the money to win if they move Porter for financial reasons. He's not worth his salary (few players are) but he IS one of the best 3 ball shooters in the league.
Who gives a what Wall thinks? He lost the ability to complain when he signed that DPE.
The Wizards do. The league is heading in a direction where the players (and third party endorsers) will hold all the power. Kawhi's episode is just the most recent and egregious example of this but it'll get worse. Far worse. Wall strikes me as an emo but he IS the face of that franchise and they aren't gonna want to piss him off by being cheap.
Don't get me wrong, I'd love to have Porter. I just don't think the wizards are at the point yet where they would move him especially since James is gone from the east. They don;t have any realistic shot at reaching the finals but they could win a series or two.
I think a much more realistic target would be Taurean Prince.
I don’t even think Prince is a realistic target without giving up Lonnie Walker and a pick or something. I definitely don’t want to do that. I’d love to have Prince tho!
Honest question:
Would Walker really be an overpay for a player like Prince? I mean, I know it's that time of year when everyone is excited about our newest draft pick but what are you guys seeing in him? He's athletic certainly. Has all the tools ect. I just didn;t see anything in his summer league minutes to make me think "All Star."
I just don't really think the SF route's the way to go. There's better potential value in guards right now, especially those who can change the complexion of the offense. The SF market is inflated because there's really no middle class. The great ones are superstars at the absolute top of the league, and then the next their is immediately overpaid role-player. What makes it worse is that even though role-players like Cov, Ingles and Mids are too valuable for the Spurs to get. They almost have to hope they can "make" their own role-playing defensive forward, like those other teams did. Blossomgame is their best in-house bet there. Putney is another candidate with 3.5 combined blocks and steals in 29 minutes in the d-league last season. Both are just so damned old though (with Putz being 28).
Here is the list of d-leaguers who averaged more than 1 block and more than 1 steal last season:
http://stats.gleague.nba.com/leaders...E*1%7CBLK*GE*1
The main trait there is that all of those guys are awful shooters. In order to get a passable shooter, you have to lower the numbers down to 1.4/1.4 per 48. That brings in Jarrod Uthoff, who honestly doesn't seem that bad. Dude is 6-10 with a 6-11.5 wingspan, and he can put it on the floor to attack closeouts. He averaged 17/8/3 in 33 minutes with a combined block and steal. His shooting left a lot to be desired, however. Would almost certainly benefit from having a smaller role on a better ballclub. I think he has the game to be adequate on that end.
Kamari Murphy is another player of interest. He seemed to have been playing center last year, but he showed decent handles and agility, so he could probably move down at least one position in the pros. I liked what I saw of him in terms of mobility on D and his ability to get open on O. However, he can't shoot and doesn't try to, and that probably is what's stopping him from being anything but a center more than his physical tools. I'd still have him in camp:
Derek Willis is that last guy I'll talk about in this post. Dude has been playing the four in the d-league, and I'm not sure he has the athleticism to play down more than that. But he seems like a dynamic shooter who would benefit from getting better looks. Him being able to shoot on the move is really what sells him to me. He averaged 12 and 7 last season with an assist, block and steal in 28 minutes a game.
For various reasons, I like all these players, in addition to Blossomgame and Putney. If I were the Spurs, I'd bring in four of this type of player into camp to compete for the final spot, with the runner-up getting a two-way. , if I could swing it, I'd try to get a second player like that on the big roster. Though with Cunningham, maybe there isn't a need for that, nor is there an easy way to get a second open spot. Still, the name of the game needs to be compe ion, just like they did with backup PG before Patty won it way back when and starting two-guard before Danny seized it. I just don't think they're going to be able to acquire a guy who can come in and start without giving up more than they should. The better value is definitely in guards, whether it's an All-Star like Kemba or a decent-if-streaky starter like Fournier. Considering need for shooting and Murray's and DeRozan's lack of that, they'll need to prioritize having two shooters at the second wing and second forward spots. Much easier to get that from a guard than a defensive forward.
No, I don't think they care at this point. They can't trade him. He's a toxic contract. So he won't be able to force them to do anything. If he tries to sit out, they will do everything they can to get out of that contract. I think they'd probably welcome that, actually. I don't disagree about Washington not wanting to trade Porter. Oubre is the one on the block right now. But they certainly aren't letting Wall call the shots. Or at least they shouldn't.
I'm not touching Prince for anything other than Paul/Manu's contract and a pick. I'm definitely not trading Walker, who has the highest ceiling for any young player on the team. They may as well try to get KBD from Minny with the Toronto pick. That would solve their problem without involving any guard prospect. Yes, I'm butt-hurt about missing out on him and probably won't ever stop unless he completely fails to do anything, in which case I'll pretend like I never wanted him...
Spurs should not trade Murray, White or Lonnie for a win now piece.
The two 1st round picks in 19, future 1sts in 20, rights to Milutinov, Belinelli ( eventually), Bertans ( eventually), Forbes ( eventually), Pau, Patty are all fair game.
I would not trade 21 yr old DeJounte for Kemba.
Pau Gasol to Detriot for Stanley Johnson & Jon Leuer.
Waive Brandon Paul.
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