Flynn in major trouble for speaking to Russia about sanctions

**Pavlov** · 08-09-2018

Originally Posted by TSA

This place can’t burn me, I’m good.

You're covered in pizza burns tbh.

**boutons_deux** · 08-09-2018

Originally Posted by Winehole23

...can both be true at once.

the deep state KNEW that Trash and his mafiya had been compromised by Pootin, had ed the 2016 election.

Because stupid, criminal Trash and his stupid, criminal mafiya got caught subverting America, they are whining that the deep state is political and anti-Repug, when in fact the deep state was fulfilling its role as (eg, anti-Russian) national security.

Doesn't help when Trash calls the deep state Nazis and liars.

That the deep state violated taboos is called unusual, but having a candidate (and long-time suspect under Russian control) and then President and his mafiya compromised by Pootin is extremely unusual and dangerous.

**boutons_deux** · 08-09-2018

"sensitive leaks from the deep state with such an overtly political aim to bring down senior leadership."

... that has long been clearly (to deep state) compromised by foreign adversary Pootin.

**Winehole23** · 08-09-2018

boutons standing up for the FBI and the CIA as (unofficial) guarantors of the democratic process.

**boutons_deux** · 08-09-2018

Originally Posted by Winehole23

boutons standing up for the FBI and the CIA as (unofficial) guarantors of the democratic process.

... a take as bad as any from pgarden

**RandomGuy** · 08-09-2018

So now we have a new bill in Congress to punish Russia for its nerve agent attack on Great Britain, that is already causing a drop in the Ruble.

If the bill does not pass by another veto-proof majority, the theory that Donald Trump has been compromised would predict he will attempt a veto.
The theory predicts he will speak out publicly against this, and attempt to fight it by persuading Congress to not pass it.

If it passes by a veto-proof majority, he will sign it grudgingly, then drag his heels in implementation, as well as put out a signing statement that attempts to weaken the bill, by interpreting the language as narrowly as possible.

**DarrinS** · 08-09-2018

Originally Posted by RandomGuy

So now we have a new bill in Congress to punish Russia for its nerve agent attack on Great Britain, that is already causing a drop in the Ruble.

If the bill does not pass by another veto-proof majority, the theory that Donald Trump has been compromised would predict he will attempt a veto.
The theory predicts he will speak out publicly against this, and attempt to fight it by persuading Congress to not pass it.

If it passes by a veto-proof majority, he will sign it grudgingly, then drag his heels in implementation, as well as put out a signing statement that attempts to weaken the bill, by interpreting the language as narrowly as possible.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/08/polit...ons/index.html

**djohn2oo8** · 08-09-2018

Now Darrin is quoting CNN

**Reck** · 08-09-2018

Originally Posted by RandomGuy

So now we have a new bill in Congress to punish Russia for its nerve agent attack on Great Britain, that is already causing a drop in the Ruble.

If the bill does not pass by another veto-proof majority, the theory that Donald Trump has been compromised would predict he will attempt a veto.
The theory predicts he will speak out publicly against this, and attempt to fight it by persuading Congress to not pass it.

If it passes by a veto-proof majority, he will sign it grudgingly, then drag his heels in implementation, as well as put out a signing statement that attempts to weaken the bill, by interpreting the language as narrowly as possible.

Took them a few months but better late than never.

I wonder if Trump assured Putin he wouldn't actually act on it like the first round of sanctions that really went nowhere.

**djohn2oo8** · 08-09-2018

Originally Posted by Reck

Took them a few months but better late than never.

I wonder if Trump assured Putin he wouldn't actually act on it like the first round of sanctions that really went nowhere.

None of this came from Trump.

**boutons_deux** · 08-09-2018

Originally Posted by RandomGuy

If it passes by a veto-proof majority, he will sign it grudgingly,

Trash has already flat refused to enforce sanctions on Russia that Congress passed by huge margin

**DarrinS** · 08-09-2018

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/don...soning-n898856
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/08/w...ump-putin.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...185_story.html

**Pavlov** · 08-09-2018

Originally Posted by DarrinS

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/don...soning-n898856
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/08/w...ump-putin.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...185_story.html

Great, you got any direct quotes from Trump on it?

**RandomGuy** · 08-09-2018

Originally Posted by DarrinS

https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/08/polit...ons/index.html

In a statement Wednesday, State Department spokeswoman Heather Nauert said the US had made this decision on Monday, and accused Russia of violating international law. The statement anticipated the sanctions would go into effect around Aug. 22 in line with the Chemical and Biological Weapons Control and Warfare Elimination Act of 1991.
Sergei Skripal, a former Russian spy, and his daughter Yulia Skripal were hospitalized and treated for a nerve-agent attack in March. Yulia Skripal was discharged from the hospital in April, and her father was discharged in May.
The State Department notified Congress on Wednesday of the first of two potential tranches of sanctions required under the 1991 law. Unless Russia takes certain steps, a second set of penalties -- more stringent than this first round -- must follow, according to the law.

I don't see the word "Trump decided" anywhere Darrin. The state Department can and does make decisions on things completely without presidential sign-offs.

Tell me, what specifically was he involved in with this?

Can you demonstrate any knowledge of Donald Trump about these sanctions? Can you tell me if they are material?

Context is what a good critical thinker would want for this.

**RandomGuy** · 08-09-2018

Originally Posted by DarrinS

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/don...soning-n898856
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/08/w...ump-putin.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...185_story.html

https://www.whitehouse.gov/search/?s=russia+sanctions

I predict he will not like the headlines.

If he has been compromised expect him to overrule, or work to mitigate them, if he is even aware of them at all.

**spurraider21** · 08-09-2018

Originally Posted by RandomGuy

I don't see the word "Trump decided" anywhere Darrin. The state Department can and does make decisions on things completely without presidential sign-offs.

Tell me, what specifically was he involved in with this?

Can you demonstrate any knowledge of Donald Trump about these sanctions? Can you tell me if they are material?

Context is what a good critical thinker would want for this.

are you suggesting the state department would issue sanctions without input from the president?