Woj: Manu Ginobili Seriously Considering Retirement; Meeting w/ Pop to Discuss Future

[cutewizard]

Mmmmmmmaaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnnnnuuuuuu rules.....

[Spurtacular]

Uno Mas Manu!

I really need a good reason to renew my LP sub, tbh.

[bigfan]

If Manu decides to pull the pin all I would say is "thank you very much for your time as a Spur". He has more than earned his retirement. I'd love to have him stick around as an assistant but I also imagine he would love to return home and live his life with his family and friends.

[TheGreatYacht]

Manu retiring would be a significant bad news for the Spurs tbh... This group needs a transition...

Now for Manu himself he is the only one to know... this additional year would add nothing to his career... road trips are gonna be a pain in the ass... from having fun wirth Bobo, the golden boy, patty and hanging around with his brothers tim and tony to having dinners away from home with gay and lma must impact seriously motivation tbh..

Either way I will be fine with his decision

and all trolling aside I've been a fan of him since the very beginning... one of the greatest spur ever and one of the most exciting playing in NBA history... only better peak seasons in Spurs history are tim and david, peak manu is >> tony, gervin..

Stop d riding these Mexicans bro. You've turned soft. Just had to bring Parker up to make yourself look good to them.... smh....

[Brazil]

Stop d riding these Mexicans bro. You've turned soft. Just had to bring Parker up to make yourself look good to them.... smh....

bro.. I've never changed my stance on any of this topic.. this is not made to make myself look good.. saying the same for a while

Tony career as a spurs > Manu career as a spur tbh
Peak Manu > Tony peak

I have both of them at the number #3 or 4 spot in all time spurs list tbh because of that and I don't get mad at anyone having Manu before TP.. that's arguable.. same thing for TP being before

now when you have dumbasses going for the Manu #3 Tony #5 or 6 I just

[Brazil]

Also I have no issue saying Manu is a more exciting player to watch than Tony

now the arguments like Manu game aged much better than Tony are silly... you cannot compare the mileage of those two just comparing their birth rate... Tony in his career played significantly more minutes than Manu and it's not even close

[TimmyBuckets]

That decision to let Anderson walk is looking worse and worse.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

That decision to let Anderson walk is looking worse and worse.

Maybe. I'm curious about Anderson's impact. Manu playing even limited minutes would help offset that. Losing two "glue" guys in the same year would be a tough adjustment.

Manu needs to return...bottom line. Him just being around the team will help the continuity of the Spurs' legacy.

[TimmyBuckets]

Maybe. I'm curious about Anderson's impact. Manu playing even limited minutes would help offset that. Losing two "glue" guys in the same year would be a tough adjustment.

Manu needs to return...bottom line. Him just being around the team will help the continuity of the Spurs' legacy.

SF

[SAGirl]

Look at this roster, it's as hideous as it gets in the NBA..

The 2 stars: Aldridge, a crybaby who asked for a trade because he didn't get enough touches..DeRozan, a man who is acting like he's the first player in the history of pro sports to get traded..he's on a depression tour across the continent, crying to anybody that will listen..

The other high-usage player is career cancer, Rudy Gay..the starting PG can't shoot, pass or dribble, he's only a star on IG..

They brought back the worst defensive wing of his generation to come off the bench, and I won't even elaborate on Pau Gasol's lazy, ostrich-looking soft ass..

Hopefully White and Walker actually play, otherwise this is an unwatchable team..please come back, Manu

I am totally with you in this.

[DMC]

Manu is one of the few reasons I still watch the game. You never know what that guy is going to do and even at his age he can have a crazy night. I just don't want to see him get another big injury, go into retirement hurt. Retire with your health and well being, Manu. Enjoy your family. Work on your golf game. Run Shaq off of TNT.

[SpursDynasty85]

Manu is one of the few reasons I still watch the game. You never know what that guy is going to do and even at his age he can have a crazy night. I just don't want to see him get another big injury, go into retirement hurt. Retire with your health and well being, Manu. Enjoy your family. Work on your golf game. Run Shaq off of TNT.

It's been a while since he had a major injury. I think his minutes and rotations have been spot on. This year there is way too much depth at the wing and Manu may not want to play exclusively at the back SF spot we need him at. He would take a beating a bit at that position. Tough call. Want him to play don't want him to play. I'd love it if he stayed on as a coach but seems he does not have that passion. Maybe and hopefully that changes.

[Keepin' it real]

Manu retiring would be a significant bad news for the Spurs tbh... This group needs a transition...

Huh? The transition started the day 21 retired. Time's up.

[rastaspur]

Hope he comes back but like others have said he has nothing to prove. My favorite spur of all time. A true legend.

[jermaine]

Ginobili was my reason to follow the Spurs... Kawhi was pose to be my transition away from Ginobili when he retires. So to lose both in the same off-season, lawd Jesus.

[SpursforSix]

Ginobili was my reason to follow the Spurs... Kawhi was pose to be my transition away from Ginobili when he retires. So to lose both in the same off-season, lawd Jesus.

Think of it as a cleansing. We'll have a whole new crop of player fans and player haters for all the new faces.

[urunobili]

Do we know when an official announcement will be made? I won’t renew League Pass if he doesn’t play.

[DAF86]

You didn't even understand what I said. First, it's obviously about the money in the that Tim wanted and got $6 Million. By the CBA, a player retiring defaults to no money. Second, that has almost nothing to do what I said, which is essentially that Manu isn't going to hear anything from Pop that will make him retire. Pop is always going to play Manu off the bench if he's there. That's what the "bar of soap" comment meant. Pop's not going to say "This year, I'm not going to play you." He just won't, even if there comes a time where he should. If Manu is really waiting for Pop to help make the decision, it's because he wants to come back.

But yes, Manu has been the most insecure about his role with the team out of the Big Three. Easily. Not remotely debateable. Only folks who disagree never really paid attention before.

Can you provide some examples of what Manu has done or said that make you believe this?

[cd98]

Can you provide some examples of what Manu has done or said that make you believe this?

I'll back of Chinook. Before he signed his last contract, he weighed retiring and also said part of his decision was on whether the Spurs wanted him back. He's been like that since 2014. That doesn't mean he isn't a good player or that he can't still play, but as he has dipped with age, I think he has become more insecure with whether the Spurs want to keep him around or go younger.

That said, I'm sure he wouldn't put the question up on Spurstalk. If players read and believed what was said about them here, they would all have panic attacks.

[Truth4sale$]

PATFO are walking on thin ice with this roster. They are not sure what to expect from this group, so you can imagine Manu is probably wondering the same thing. Is this team a true contender or a team stuck in mediocre purgatory. I would personally miss Manu because i think his basketball IQ, and professionalism is priceless for the young players. Murray, White and Walker are really 1st year players, because they spent rookie years playing Gleague ball. This puts so much pressure on Patty Mills to lead this young group. Unfortunately Mills is no Manu. Thats why the Spurs need him. If the Spurs were fully rebuilding i can see why Manu walks, but Spurs are retooling. The Spurs need every good player they can get, and Manu is still a good player who can contribute in so many ways.

[SpursDynasty85]

Can you provide some examples of what Manu has done or said that make you believe this?

I do recall him saying after the 2013 finals he was even more devastated that the fans thought he ruined the finals for them. It was surprising to hear that from such a steel-nerves veteran that he cares what fans think about him. It might hold some water that he wants to be appreciated for his ability and production but that is most players including Duncan and Parker. Parker more so than Duncan. Parker apparently hated the idea of bringing Kidd in and playing 2 gaurd.

[Chinook]

Can you provide some examples of what Manu has done or said that make you believe this?

Manu:

2018 -- Needing to talk to Pop
2017 -- Needing to know Pop wanted him back
2016 -- His agent sending out signals that SA was going to have to step up offers to keep Manu
2013 and 2015 -- As far as I know, nothing.
2010 -- Suggested that he was going to look elsewhere in the summer if PATFO didn't offer a max extension
2003 -- Entertained an offer from Denver

Parker:

2011 -- Suggested that he'd have a productive "second career" in New York
2003 -- Was angered by PATFO's pursuit of Jason Kidd

Tim

2003 -- Mildly entertained other offers, but nothing serious
2000 -- SERIOUSLY considered Orlando

Folks are welcome to bring up other examples, but I think I'm being fair to all involved. Certainly, some of the actions they took made perfect sense, and considering they all stayed as long as the team wanted them, it's not like any of them are on the Kawhi continuum. But Manu just has more examples one can point of how him publicly expressing uncertainty about how long his relationship with the Spurs would last. Maybe that comes down just to their personalities and their histories coming into the organization. But especially in terms of his agent's comments, he seems to trust PATFO the least of the three.

[SpursDynasty85]

Manu:

2018 -- Needing to talk to Pop
2017 -- Needing to know Pop wanted him back
2016 -- His agent sending out signals that SA was going to have to step up offers to keep Manu
2013 and 2015 -- As far as I know, nothing.
2010 -- Suggested that he was going to look elsewhere in the summer if PATFO didn't offer a max extension
2003 -- Entertained an offer from Denver

Parker:

2011 -- Suggested that he'd have a productive "second career" in New York
2003 -- Was angered by PATFO's pursuit of Jason Kidd

Tim

2003 -- Mildly entertained other offers, but nothing serious
2000 -- SERIOUSLY considered Orlando

Folks are welcome to bring up other examples, but I think I'm being fair to all involved. Certainly, some of the actions they took made perfect sense, and considering they all stayed as long as the team wanted them, it's not like any of them are on the Kawhi continuum. But Manu just has more examples one can point of how him publicly expressing uncertainty about how long his relationship with the Spurs would last. Maybe that comes down just to their personalities and their histories coming into the organization. But especially in terms of his agent's comments, he seems to trust PATFO the least of the three.

Have you thought maybe Spurs always pushed his buttons a bit more? I'd argue Manu took the biggest payouts throughout most his career.

[spurraider21]

Manu:

2018 -- Needing to talk to Pop
2017 -- Needing to know Pop wanted him back
2016 -- His agent sending out signals that SA was going to have to step up offers to keep Manu
2013 and 2015 -- As far as I know, nothing.
2010 -- Suggested that he was going to look elsewhere in the summer if PATFO didn't offer a max extension
2003 -- Entertained an offer from Denver

Parker:

2011 -- Suggested that he'd have a productive "second career" in New York
2003 -- Was angered by PATFO's pursuit of Jason Kidd

Tim

2003 -- Mildly entertained other offers, but nothing serious
2000 -- SERIOUSLY considered Orlando

Folks are welcome to bring up other examples, but I think I'm being fair to all involved. Certainly, some of the actions they took made perfect sense, and considering they all stayed as long as the team wanted them, it's not like any of them are on the Kawhi continuum. But Manu just has more examples one can point of how him publicly expressing uncertainty about how long his relationship with the Spurs would last. Maybe that comes down just to their personalities and their histories coming into the organization. But especially in terms of his agent's comments, he seems to trust PATFO the least of the three.

lol having a "nothing" entry for manu just to pad his column when you didnt do that for the others.

and his agent saying he has a competing offer is not the same as being insecure about your role ... he was willing to play cheap until he got a monster offer from philly. that's not a sign of insecurity

[Chinook]

Have you thought maybe Spurs always pushed his buttons a bit more? I'd argue Manu took the biggest payouts throughout most his career.

If you legit mean "pay-out", then yes. If you mean "pay-cuts", then no.