Jim Carrey: 'We Have to Say Yes to Socialism'

[Blake]

Except for the fact that it always leads to communism. Collectivism in general is a pipedream and relies on 0% bad actors. It will never work.

You mean like Trumps Harvest Box idea?

[Blake]

Except for the fact that it always leads to communism.

Oh yeah

Chris

[ElNono]

And who is going to bring socialism??? Bernie ¨3 mansions¨ Sanders?

In an essay lamenting what he described as the intractable income inequality of the American economy, Senator Sanders declared: “These days, the American dream is more apt to be realized in South America, in places such as Ecuador, Venezuela and Argentina, where incomes are actually more equal today than they are in the land of Horatio Alger.”

Not Venezuela, but he's right otherwise, tbh... also, I thought Macri was gone a week ago... Cristi waiting in the wings, tbh lol

[ElNono]

Imagine the debate over borders and LEGAL immigration if USA went socialist

Whoa. Socialism changes EVERYTHING. Prepare to have people judging what food you are intaking and how you are raising your children if socialism were inacted.

"Do what you want, it doesn't effect me" is thrown out the window under socialism. Doesn't work in a multicultural nation. Western/Northern European nations are increasingly being hit with this reality.

Almost every big socialist country in South America last decade had pretty much open borders (Mikeanaro can confirm). The problem is you think about socialism from a capitalist standpoint, tbh... your American education is showing.

[ElNono]

I can almost imagine the same rallying cry a century ago: "Imagine if America had unions! wow!"

[Winehole23]

Except for the fact that it always leads to communism. Collectivism in general is a pipedream and relies on 0% bad actors. It will never work.

We already have a mixed system. For going on 70 years.

Mightily reinforced, it might be added, ten years ago when the system of payment became insolvent. In a capitalist system, banks, non-bank lenders and equity holders would have gone bust. What did we do?

We made the banks and equity holders whole through QE, financial repression (i.e., artificially low interest rates) and direct government aid. We nationalized mortgage lending and auto companies, and we put the whole cost on the US taxpayer.

Gold-plated socialism for the 1%, bootstrap capitalism for the rest of us.

Truth be told, we're all socialists now. We're the backstop for the misadventures of the top decile.

[Winehole23]

Bush/Obama and the US Congress shielded the elite from accountability and socialized the cost of bailing out the financial sector.

So in a way, Chris, you have socialism to thank for Trump getting elected.

[Mikeanaro]

Not Venezuela, but he's right otherwise, tbh... also, I thought Macri was gone a week ago... Cristi waiting in the wings, tbh lol

Lol, those are golpistas trying to take him down because that old could go to jail, Peronismo sucks.

He is not right, Ecuador, Venezuela and Argentina are terrible examples.
Here we are taking money away from people that worked 30 years, we split it and gave the other half to retire people who never paid aportes in their entire lives, and then taxes are extremely high to pay ¨plans¨ to villeros and they never worked at all... been getting money for doing nothing over the last 15 years.
Thats a catastrophic way to fix inequality.

[Mikeanaro]

Almost every big socialist country in South America last decade had pretty much open borders (Mikeanaro can confirm). The problem is you think about socialism from a capitalist standpoint, tbh... your American education is showing.

Yeah, I can confirm that.

[ElNono]

Lol, those are golpistas trying to take him down because that old could go to jail, Peronismo sucks.

He is not right, Ecuador, Venezuela and Argentina are terrible examples.
Here we are taking money away from people that worked 30 years, we split it and gave the other half to retire people who never paid aportes in their entire lives, and then taxes are extremely high to pay ¨plans¨ to villeros and they never worked at all... been getting money for doing nothing over the last 15 years.
Thats a catastrophic way to fix inequality.

I don't think he's talking about corruption, which is indeed a major problem in all those countries. What he's talking about is strong unions and difficulty in pushing around employees.

Now we can discuss all aspects of unions and there's the good or bad, but I was looking at the developing situation in Argentina with the inflation rate going up 30% and the government siding with employers in handing out a 15% raise to salaries, and that's just plain wrong. I understand business owners want to make more money, but there's little remedy for employees if they don't band together, at least against the most egregious abuses.

You can see that happening on the business owners side too, with grain producers banding together to fight against export taxes. Inequality or equality doesn't happen just in a vacuum. There are forces at play, some with more power than can tilt the balance, and if you want to balance it, you need just as strong a counter-force.

Now we can talk about all the bad things about unions, like forced membership payments, abuse of power, etc.

[FrostKing]

Almost every big socialist country in South America last decade had pretty much open borders (Mikeanaro can confirm). The problem is you think about socialism from a capitalist standpoint, tbh... your American education is showing.

I like socialism just not with multiculturalism.

USA must always remain a rat race if it also intends to be the land of opportunity

[Winehole23]

who are you to lecture us rats?

[ElNono]

I like socialism just not with multiculturalism.

USA must always remain a rat race if it also intends to be the land of opportunity

Don't take it personally, I was just pointing out that it's fairly common for Americans to see things through individualism, because that's what's ingrained in them.

The example you put together was actually a text-book case. From an individualist optic, if there's a pie for 10 people, adding an 11th person is a (personal) affront. That 11th person might be a cook that can make pies for everybody, but the first instinct is to think about it in terms of me and mine.

I'm not going to berate anybody for thinking in those terms, but that line of thinking is closer to dogma, and in that sense, it makes it more difficult to have an expansive view of the problems and solutions.

[Spurtacular]

Comedian laments GOP attacks on socialism-friendly Democrats

I saw the show interview days ago (about 15 min). He put a big happy blissful face on it and all; but he didn't say anything egregious otherwise. He has TDS a bit; but it's nowhere near as bad as most.

[Winehole23]

you know who has TDS the worst?

Donald J. Trump.

[Chris]

you know who has TDS the worst?

Donald J. Trump.

No, that makes no sense.

Next.

[Winehole23]

who is more occupied with Trump than Trump?

it makes little sense to say otherwise.

[Winehole23]

btw, I replied directly to you upstream, topically related, do you have a reply to that Chris?

[Chris]

Who is more occupied with Winehole23 than Winehole23?

It makes little sense to say otherwise.

See, nothing profound there.

You may have early stages of TDS. Be careful.

[Winehole23]

or will you ignore and run away, or call someone a troll, like you usually do when you can't think of a reply?

[Winehole23]

Who is more occupied with Winehole23 than Winehole23?

It makes little sense to say otherwise.

See, nothing profound there.

You may have early stages of TDS. Be careful.

I spend close to zero time talking about WH23.

The same can't be said of Trump.

[Chris]

My replies take little more than 30 seconds to contrive. No one is running away. You're just used to everything on demand like most en led individuals.

[Winehole23]

Illeism

[Mikeanaro]

I don't think he's talking about corruption, which is indeed a major problem in all those countries. What he's talking about is strong unions and difficulty in pushing around employees.

Now we can discuss all aspects of unions and there's the good or bad, but I was looking at the developing situation in Argentina with the inflation rate going up 30% and the government siding with employers in handing out a 15% raise to salaries, and that's just plain wrong. I understand business owners want to make more money, but there's little remedy for employees if they don't band together, at least against the most egregious abuses.

You can see that happening on the business owners side too, with grain producers banding together to fight against export taxes. Inequality or equality doesn't happen just in a vacuum. There are forces at play, some with more power than can tilt the balance, and if you want to balance it, you need just as strong a counter-force.

Now we can talk about all the bad things about unions, like forced membership payments, abuse of power, etc.

Its not just the example, Dems have all media thats why Barrack was so great for them everything was perfect just like the Ks had 10 channels radios and papers here, Hilda got money from those countries that kills gays and lesbians just like the Kirchners had money from Chavez.
Chavez did the same with media.

Now media is all day bashing Trump like he is a criminal not one thing is right about him, and he is doing great with economy.
Macri is being bashed all day long, economy is not great but you see the blind hate everything sucks.
Maduro is not being bashed at all.

Open borders are great to get votes and then do whatever they like, just like Hilda was against little children crossing the border and now POOR BABIES!!!
Same Schumer and all those clowns.
Why they changed their minds so fast?

USA is full of corruption too, the FBI is a fine example.

That country needs to keep better and better with closed borders, and then decide if they want to go socialist.
But not in the middle of illegals, crazy forced racism, one sided fbi, wacko clowns like Jim Carrey and all that freak show Dems are doing.

If you want something clean and transparent first you must have a good foundation, thats not USA case right now.

[Winehole23]

My replies take little more than 30 seconds to contrive. No one is running away. You're just used to everything on demand like most en led individuals.

That's not a topical reply. It's an excuse.