What is the Most You'd Want PATFO to Trade for Butler?

[cool cat]

Gasol, Mills, Walker, Spurs 2019 first and Toronto's 2019 1st

For

Butler and Dieng

I think that is more than fair value. Tbh

If we can do it without losing Walker I’m down.

[Chinook]

Pass!! I really think Murray and Walker have potential to be special

I understand not wanting to do this trade for a number of reasons, but I don't get this reasoning. Butler is a boat. Walker and Murray could become anything. They might even end up becoming boats. Jimmy is already "special". Walker having the potential to be that good doesn't make him a better keep given that he could easily not reach that level and if he does won't likely get there until the team loses Aldridge and DeRozan.

[exstatic]

I just don't see Butler moving the needle. And why give up young talent that we are in control of for a rental?

I think a lot of teams will feel that way. I’m sure their offers will be scant.

[RD2191]

Plus if we land Jimmy we get Kyrie next season.

[exstatic]

Plus if we land Jimmy we get Kyrie next season.

Dude, Kyrie isn’t coming. Papa Irving and Uncle Dennis are besties, AND we won’t have diddly for cap space. Kyrie goina NY.

[mo7888]

If I were going after butler I'd rather create cap space next summer and try and get him that way. I just don't think he moves the needle enough this year. That said, I don't like his fit here being 29 years old and not being a great 3 point shooter. If I were wanting a player off of that team it would be Wiggins who's 23. His outside shot isn't any better than butler's but he has a chance to improve and his timeline fits our younger guys better. I realize he isn't on the market but, there's a chance (albeit small) that he could be soon if butler will commit to resigning there if thibs moves a guy or two that he doesn't get along with. Unlikely...yep.... but I'd rather roll with him than Jimmy IF I have to give up real assets.

[Chinook]

If I were going after butler I'd rather create cap space next summer and try and get him that way. I just don't think he moves the needle enough this year. That said, I don't like his fit here being 29 years old and not being a great 3 point shooter. If I were wanting a player off of that team it would be Wiggins who's 23. His outside shot isn't any better than butler's but he has a chance to improve and his timeline fits our younger guys better. I realize he isn't on the market but, there's a chance (albeit small) that he could be soon if butler will commit to resigning there if thibs moves a guy or two that he doesn't get along with. Unlikely...yep.... but I'd rather roll with him than Jimmy IF I have to give up real assets.

I think the majority of fans think Wiggins is hot garbage, and I'd assume a number of front offices agree there. Some may disagree, and I can't say which way PATFO would come down on it. But personally, I would need to sit down and really see where his head is before I'd make a deal for him. Even then, I'd have to be giving up nothing of value (like Gasol and Mills straight up). Wiggins is net-negative player and doesn't seem interested in getting better. Physically, there's no reason why he's not a high-impact two-way guy. But he hasn't been with the Wolves. DeRozan is significantly better than him.

[exstatic]

If I were going after butler I'd rather create cap space next summer and try and get him that way. I just don't think he moves the needle enough this year. That said, I don't like his fit here being 29 years old and not being a great 3 point shooter. If I were wanting a player off of that team it would be Wiggins who's 23. His outside shot isn't any better than butler's but he has a chance to improve and his timeline fits our younger guys better. I realize he isn't on the market but, there's a chance (albeit small) that he could be soon if butler will commit to resigning there if thibs moves a guy or two that he doesn't get along with. Unlikely...yep.... but I'd rather roll with him than Jimmy IF I have to give up real assets.

Wiggins is a Twinkie, a Ding Dong, a Ho Ho. He’s NBA junk food. He lacks the desire to be great, and that’s not something you can’t teach like a rip through, a post up, or a crossover.

[TheGreatYacht]

Pretty much. Spur fan overrating their scrubs per usual.

[TimmyBuckets]

This roster is basically Aldridge, DeRozan, and . They can take guys 3-14 on this roster plus a first

He's overrated on offense. Very middle of the road. And he has a history of being a chemistry killer.

Pretty much. Spur fan overrating their scrubs per usual.

[Immortal Spur]

don't want.. always felt he was overrated..

[DMC]

It doesn't matter except for ticket sales. If you are PATFO, do you want to keep raising young players in the hopes you hit a gem now and then, with no big 3 around to sell tickets, or do you adopt the well worn system of bringing in names to fill seats to weather the multi-year storm of mediocrity? Either way you're not going to win a ring.

[venitian navigator]

I think the majority of fans think Wiggins is hot garbage, and I'd assume a number of front offices agree there. Some may disagree, and I can't say which way PATFO would come down on it. But personally, I would need to sit down and really see where his head is before I'd make a deal for him. Even then, I'd have to be giving up nothing of value (like Gasol and Mills straight up). Wiggins is net-negative player and doesn't seem interested in getting better. Physically, there's no reason why he's not a high-impact two-way guy. But he hasn't been with the Wolves. DeRozan is significantly better than him.

I agree but I could give something more for him. I'd give Mills, Gasol (that's Butler's mate) and a pick or two...no more. However, that's the same offer I could make for Butler, considering he's a rental. In any case, imho, if by mid season we still have a problem at sf, market solution should be in the sense of a phoenix player...they have quite four players on the same role that could all fit our potential need...(Ariza, Jackson, Warren, Bridges).

[Fusternino]

Wiggins has one of the worst contracts in the league along with Griffin and Wall. I'd make the Wolves attach picks/assets (preferably Patton and Bates-Diop and a future 1st) to him for Gasol/Mills/Forbes. Tell the Wolves it's a not a deal otherwise.

[mo7888]

I think the majority of fans think Wiggins is hot garbage, and I'd assume a number of front offices agree there. Some may disagree, and I can't say which way PATFO would come down on it. But personally, I would need to sit down and really see where his head is before I'd make a deal for him. Even then, I'd have to be giving up nothing of value (like Gasol and Mills straight up). Wiggins is net-negative player and doesn't seem interested in getting better. Physically, there's no reason why he's not a high-impact two-way guy. But he hasn't been with the Wolves. DeRozan is significantly better than him.

I don't disagree with you one bit. It's a rather large gamble. He has all the physical attributes you could want but he has all of the issues you mention as well. I believe our staff can help him reach his potential but it's not a sure thing by any means. All I'm really saying is, I'd rather gamble on him than give up value for a 29 year old Butler.
If I'm making the call in not giving up much for either but Wiggins is my preferred player based on where we are today.

[venitian navigator]

Wiggins has one of the worst contracts in the league along with Griffin and Wall. I'd make the Wolves attach picks/assets (preferably Patton and Bates-Diop and a future 1st) to him for Gasol/Mills/Forbes. Tell the Wolves it's a not a deal otherwise.

it just depend if you believe he can play better defense than the one he played till now...he's a max contract under total control for five years. No player options...that means that, if you like the player, you have time to work on his game and his mind. Obviously he's a risk...but he can cìshoot and imho, just for this reason, he should be a better fit for us than Butler...

[TimDunkem]

Pretty much. Spur fan overrating their scrubs per usual.

"B..b...b...the future! Who on the Spurs roster will make videos of themselves licking their girlfriend's feet if we trade Murray? "

[exstatic]

it just depend if you believe he can play better defense than the one he played till now...he's a max contract under total control for five years. No player options...that means that, if you like the player, you have time to work on his game and his mind. Obviously he's a risk...but he can cìshoot and imho, just for this reason, he should be a better fit for us than Butler...

Read my sig for Pop's thought on changing players 'minds'. PATFO doesn't believe it can be done. You also don't take on a 'project' with that kind of a contract. What incentive is there for Wiggins to change anything about his game or effort? None.

[Fusternino]

it just depend if you believe he can play better defense than the one he played till now...he's a max contract under total control for five years. No player options...that means that, if you like the player, you have time to work on his game and his mind. Obviously he's a risk...but he can cìshoot and imho, just for this reason, he should be a better fit for us than Butler...

He's an extremely inefficient midrange player who has shown no real improvement since entering the league. I think the $$$ amount for his contract isn't so bad because it was signed as extension so there's that. Maybe if he would actually change his at ude once coming here then it would be worth it. He has all the physical tools but just has shown no real desire to improve. That's a long contract so the trade would need to be an absolute fleece in other areas for me to be excited about it.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

A core of Aldridge, Butler and DeRozan locked for 3 seasons can be formidable. Surround them with the right shooters and defenders and they're as good as Rockets but cheaper and with a longer window. Of course nowhere near as good as GS are right now but a 3 year window is a long one.

If Butler would commit long term I'd offer Minnesota 3 of : White, Walker, both 1sts. Hesitant about Murray, but probably would trade him as it's clear he's not a great fit next to these 3.

[Pavlov]

I wouldn't gut the team for a second tier star player.

This.

I'd like to see the team play at least one game before an overhaul.

[Fusternino]

If it was Paul George, I'll try and pull the trigger. But Butler doesn't fit with the current makeup of this team. He needs to ball just as much as DD, and both are not great outside shooters to fit along with another. Besides, I think a healthy Gay gives 80% of Butler for a third of the cost. I would like the Spurs to try and nab Middleton if we are going to give up on our youth.

Agree with you on what Gay gives us and Butler needing the ball. Not sure what the point would be and he's probably too old for us to develop him much further.

[exstatic]

A core of Aldridge, Butler and DeRozan locked for 3 seasons can be formidable. Surround them with the right shooters and defenders and they're as good as Rockets but cheaper and with a longer window. Of course nowhere near as good as GS are right now but a 3 year window is a long one.

If Butler would commit long term I'd offer Minnesota 3 of : White, Walker, both 1sts. Hesitant about Murray, but probably would trade him as it's clear he's not a great fit next to these 3.

I'd be surprised if GS didn't disintegrate next summer. They basically asked Klay to take a $75M haircut by signing an extension instead of playing out his contract for a new one. He refused. Durant also seems to be fence sitting. I think if Klay bolts, and the Lakers seem VERY interested, that Durant will also leave (NYK?). That drops GS back into the pack again.

[tmtcsc]

Pass!! I really think Murray and Walker have potential to be special

[TimmyBuckets]

Offer everything except Walker, Murray, Derozan, LMA. Not a believer in these youngsters, but they're all we have for the future I guess.