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Butler is close to be traded to miami, can we get involve in this trade? http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine...w5%C2%A0%C2%A0
I don't think adding Butler increases the chanvce of dethroning the GSW by much. I'm not really all that excited for a Pau-Butler trade.
Butler IMHO is a poor fit. Ball domonant, poor 3 point shooter and has worn his welcome out in two places already. Signing him long term is problematic. He is 29 with high milage and relies heavily on his atheleticism/physicality.
With regards to Pau? He is definitely overpaid, but is essentialy a large expiring contract and would hold out that something more intriguing will come up later, knowing full well the most likely scenario is tha nothing does.
Butler is close to be traded to miami, can we get involve in this trade? http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine...w5%C2%A0%C2%A0
^ No.
I read he likes to wear cowboy boots, but likes to be traded to the Heat?
Whiteside?? Nah.. lol
Rather keep Poeltl
Phoenix making a move?
Spurs just don't have the pieces to trade for this player right now and Thibs is not trading him to a Western Conference team. It looks like the Heat are the favorites to land Butler.
Curry > DJ, but Murray slows Curry down with his reach, athleticism and ultimately slows down Dubs’ tempo. Still overall it’s Spurs’ advantage with Murray slowing down the tempo and able to closein on 3’s and control Dubs momentum. Dubs offense starts with Curry and Green’s playmaking. Murray slows down Curry, it’s Gay’s turn to distrupt Green;
Thompson = Demar. They cancel each other out in scoring. Spurs not needing to double team without Tony/Mills, Demar can stay with his man, and closeout on 3’s. Spurs can control the avalanche of 3’s;
Green < Gay. Gay has shown that he can postdown Green with much success and score on him. Gay can fight for rebounds and has learned to play good D. He disrupts Green’s playmaking and effectiveness, Spurs close the gap;
Durant > Butler. Durant scores but I think Butler can slow him down a bit. That’s all anyone can do. But Durant also need to play Butler on the other side and his physicality and that could take a toll;
Cousins < LMA. Cousins is untested in playoffs and could easily implode. I think LMA wins this;
Kerr < Pops. With good personnel, Pops easily outcoach Kerr. He showed with Spurs up 25 before Kawhi went down. And that was not all Kawhi, but because Kawhi being down created mismatches, not enough scoring, etc. I think Butler could fill that hole.
Dubs bench = Spurs bench. Spurs have long athletic guys who are fast footed and can switch on pnr, closeout on 3’s, run, score 3’s, etc. Poeltl/White/Mills/Bertran can score against any bench. If Lonnie matures fast is another advantage with his long reach and explosiveness;
It’s not laughable but it’s realistic that if the Spurs could get Butler sacrificing Pau, 1st round and filler, Spurs easily becomes 2nd best in the West and close the gap on Dubs tbh.
Based on purely basketball ability, Murray/DeRozan/Butler/Gay/Aldridge is the second-best starting five in the West and REALLY close to GS' starting five. Curry and Durant are easily the best two players on the floor, but the Spurs probably have the next three. With Cousins being hurt, I could see him being sixth or worse on this list. The issue beyond that is that Spurs unit has no spacing or chemistry. There might be games where two of the perimeter guys are shooting well enough to keep GS honest, but it's a tall order to ask guys like DeRozan and Gay to play three-and-D roles, and when you play the Warriors, everyone on the floor has to be a two-way player. Replacing DeRozan with prime-ish Paul George would be a different matter. Then you'd have three strong perimeter defenders, a swing-forward who can get his own shot and swing on D, and Aldridge while having at least one top-level shooter on the court.
If the Spurs can keep Walker and the rest of the rotation players besides Gasol, then it'd be worth it to try. I want the team to be willing to gamble rather than to just on their current roster, content with fighting for the third round. There are just other gambles I'd rather them explore first.
We ain't getting Butler and everyone knows it let's just move on and focus on the squad we have which in my opinion looks promising.
u only pull a trade if you think u can win now...
if not...dont u trade ur youth for a rental? walker, murry, white
if the spurs still had anderson, he couldve been a useful 4, or trade piece to get butler in a package that also includes pau/patty/forbes
So Minny wants vets and a prospect. Mills/Gasol and their pick of DJ or Walker. Get it done RC.
Murray, DeRozan, Butler, Gay, Aldridge. Nobody shoots threes from that bunch, you need three point shooters to win in today's NBA. That Spurs lineup would get crushed by the Warriors, and would lose to the Rockets too. In fact, they could lose to any playoffs team. That lineup you proposed just isn't very good.
Like what?
I frankly expect them to do the opposite. They only made the trade they made bc Kawhi cornered them into it. They will have to give up prospects they want to keep to trade for Butler and perhaps they aren't going to pay the price. For sure at least one of the most promising youngsters will be asked in the trade.
Thibs demands for a trade apparently are higher than the Spurs' were for KAwhi (he's been so ridiculous I have seen the twitterati accuse him of not really wanting to trade). Many teams just don't believe Thibs wants to trade after all bc his demands are outrageous.
I would rather keep our young prospects and see how they develop than include them in a trade for a one-year rental of Butler.
Mills, Gasol and two first round picks, sas 2019 and sas 2020.
I don't believe you can trade 2 consecutive years of 1st Rd draft picks, my friend.
Exactly, which is why on draft night, you see so many pick and trades. It gives you the flexibility to trade the next year's pick. A pick and trade doesn't count, because you're actually trading the rights to a player, not a pick.
Close. The rule is that you can't make a deal that leaves yourself with no firsts in two consecutive future drafts. This trade works because the Spurs would still have Toronto's 1st.
Or maybe not because it turns into two 2nds if it falls in the top 20. Including Toronto's 2019 1st and the Spurs' 2020 1st is fine.
That's still a lot to give up for a rental diva. I mean, if Butler cancers things up you can just let him walk, but Pop values chemistry too much imo.
Interesting... thank you!
I agree. And thank you for the clarification!
It wouldn't work. Picks only count if they are guaranteed to convey in a given year. If it were conditional on 2019 but unprotected in 2020, then it would work.
Got it, thanks for clearing that up. But I take it trading the conditional TOR 2019 1st and the Spurs' own 2020 1st is okay because it leaves the Spurs with their own 2019 1st.
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