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    More false garbage.

    Asylum seekers have to go through a process or eventually get deported.

    Obama administration had the same issues, made the same errors and eventually they had a system down where 99% of the people released while undergoing the asylum process returned for their hearings. Fox news won't tell you any of this.

    If you are fleeing for your life and get sent back to "apply from the outside" you will be dead before your hearing but this is probably what you want anyway.


    you are so full of .

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    So, not open borders.
    Never said Obama was for open borders. Just rebutting the "deporter in Chief" narrative that was being pushed.

    This however is as effective of just guarding receivers for the first 5 yards.

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    Never said Obama was for open borders. Just rebutting the "deporter in Chief" narrative that was being pushed.

    This however is as effective of just guarding receivers for the first 5 yards.
    But you said the party was for open borders. Obama was the figurehead of the party for 8 years. Still is, in a lot of ways.

    So which current Democratic officials or candidates have advocated for open borders?

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    But you said the party was for open borders. Obama was the figurehead of the party for 8 years. Still is, in a lot of ways.

    So which current Democratic officials or candidates have advocated for open borders?
    Keith Ellison. Other than that not sure but many of the other policies that Dems support lead to a defacto open borders.

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    Your ignorance is showing. Virtually everything needs 60 votes in the Senate, which requires 9 Democrats to cross over.
    So - the great deal-maker could not close 9 Dems?

    This is called - Governing.

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    Pretty sure candidates pushing for open borders has something to do with open borders.

    Illegals are being allowed to vote on local issues in certain areas of the country.
    OK, which candidates are pushing for open borders as part of their campaign platforms.

    Give a list.

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    Your ignorance is showing. Virtually everything needs 60 votes in the Senate, which requires 9 Democrats to cross over.
    Which immigration bill introduced in the house do you like, CC?

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    They are overwhelmed and years behind. Call it what it is. Catch and release in the US.
    And? They potential refugees will wait in line. US is deporting them at a quick pace. Everything at the border will be business as usual. They are just 7,000 thats peanuts.

    nothing burger

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    Are you guys aware that these people could apply for asylum without walking to the border?
    Lol doubt it how? At the US embassy?

    a US embassy is not at all equivalent to a border entry point.

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    There are roughly 15 million people in Honduras and Nicaragua that could claim the same thing. Should we let them all in?
    Why you keep saying we are letting them all in? We are letting them walk in and apply. Nobody is “letting them all in”

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    CC busy passing on INVASION! memes on Facebook.

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    it is one hundred percent legal under US law to present yourself at any border or any US embassy to ask for asylum, no matter how you entered the country.

    if you don't like it you should ask Trump and the majority Republican US Congress to change the law.
    I believe its a UN/Human Rights law/directive. All member states must accept asylum applications at their borders.

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    Not know was good when he said stop the illegals from coming In

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    I believe its a UN/Human Rights law/directive. All member states must accept asylum applications at their borders.
    the U.N.
    What has the U.N. done here in the USA ?
    Last edited by ducks; 10-24-2018 at 01:57 PM.

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    I have been to Honduras very poor country
    have to have security guards to watch your house when you leave. but it is what it is
    there is no reason if they get rid of corruption they could not be a much richer country
    if they do not change when the get to the usa soil the usa will be just like their country
    the US sponsored a coup in favor the current Honduran leader. Who is a corrupt Amrican slave.

    american corporations are in Honduras pillaging the land and resources thanks to him.

    companies there are evicting people by force and even murdering them if they do not leave the lands.

    The US is responsible and a sponsor for this. And then we ask why are these people escaping their country? Pathetic

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    the U.S. technically didn't "back it" but they refused to place sanctions on the government that replaced zelaya. she and obama considered the sanctions until hillary's good friend and corporate lobbyist, lanny davis, convinced her otherwise. our banks were happy, in other words. of course, the GOP has their fair share of central american indiscretions, most of those taking place under reagan, who looked the other way while tens of thousands of indigenous people were slaughtered by our banana republics.
    Thats technically backing it. Especially since US trained the leader of the coup

    The leader of the coup, Honduran General Romeo Vásquez Velásquez, was a graduate of the notorious School of the Americas, a U.S. Army training program nicknamed “School of Assassins” for the sizable number of graduates who have engaged in coups, as well as the torture and murder of political opponents. The training of coup plotters at the program, since renamed the Western Hemisphere Ins ute for Security Cooperation, isn’t a bygone feature of the Cold War: General Luis Javier Prince Suazo, who played an important role in the coup as head of the Honduran Air Force, graduated as recently as 1996.

    There is no evidence to suggest that the Obama administration was behind the coup. However, a number of U.S. officials — most notably then-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton — played an important role in preventing Zelaya’s return to office and the junta consolidating its power in the face of massive nonviolent protests.

    Clinton insisted the day after the coup that “all parties have a responsibility to address the underlying problems that led to yesterday’s events.” When asked if her call for “restoring the cons utional order” in Honduras meant returning Zelaya himself, she didn’t say it necessarily would. State Department spokesperson Ian Kelly evaded reporters’ questions as to whether the United States supported Zelaya’s return, placing the United States at odds with the Organization of American States, the Rio Group, and the U.N. General Assembly, all of which called for the “immediate and unconditional return” of Zelaya.


    https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5...b0092652d7a138

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    what is wrong with the usa kids having a better life why does it have to always be the illegals that should get the better life
    What? What illegal has a better life than “usa kid”?


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    the U.N.
    What has the U.N. done here in the USA ?
    UN has allowed US to pillage and rape many countries over the world

    UN has helped US empire a LOT

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    Keith Ellison. Other than that not sure but many of the other policies that Dems support lead to a defacto open borders.
    So you have one guy who wore a t shirt about borders, and the rest of your evidence is based on some kind of indirect open borders theory. Not super strong. Has Keith Ellison proposed any piece of legislation about literally opening the borders, or do you think you might be overreacting to generic and toothless political speech?

    Face it, Republicans use "open borders" as a campaign scare tactic against Democrats who have never advocated for such a thing, and you lap it right up.

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    Keith Ellison. Other than that not sure but many of the other policies that Dems support lead to a defacto open borders.
    T-shirt platform.

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    So you have one guy who wore a t shirt about borders, and the rest of your evidence is based on some kind of indirect open borders theory. Not super strong. Has Keith Ellison proposed any piece of legislation about literally opening the borders, or do you think you might be overreacting to generic and toothless political speech?

    Face it, Republicans use "open borders" as a campaign scare tactic against Democrats who have never advocated for such a thing, and you lap it right up.
    Yes, only I only know of one candidate currently that's dumb enough to expose their position.

    I wouldn't call it a theory. It's the effective reality of the policies they are pushing.

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    Yes, only I only know of one candidate currently that's dumb enough to expose their position.

    I wouldn't call it a theory. It's the effective reality of the policies they are pushing.
    What was Bernie's position when you were supporting him?

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    Yes, only I only know of one candidate currently that's dumb enough to expose their position.
    Cool. So you retract this:

    The party that wants sanctuary cities, to get rid of ICE, is giving illegals the ability to vote in certain areas of the country, and actually has candidates that want open borders.
    and this:

    Pretty sure candidates pushing for open borders has something to do with open borders.

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    Cool. So you retract this:



    and this:
    No. One Dem candidate exposed his anti-border stance. Many support defacto anti-border positions.

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    What was Bernie's position when you were supporting him?
    That would be irrelevant to the conversation today.

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