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Tanking requires using bad options.
Raiders have completely quit on the season, I don't know how you can use these same players the rest of the year..Gruden should be playing young, hungry players, even if they're less talented..
Tanking requires using bad options.
Gruden's not tanking, he's just a terrible coach who loves washed-up vets.
This.
The media is jerking Gruden off for how well he’s gathering assets and rebuilding but he spent the entire offseason overpaying ty veterans and making a rebuilding process harder.
Peterman or Carr right now tbh?
Nah, he's tanking. You're kidding yourself if you think he's not a good coach.
It will take Gruden a few seasons to get his guys. Problem is will Derek Carr still be alive?
Alabama would have beat tonights Raider team.
Mullen needs more of a challenge to get a real read on him.
WHAT?
media has been ting on Gruden all year for signing all these over the hill players, trading Mack, etc.
for weeks people were losing their over some passing comments he made at the combine (kick it back to 1998)
they would be very smart to tank and have 3 picks in the top 10
they'll need a new qb, maybe Herbert in 2020. Don't think Tagliavoa is any good.
I posted the thread a couple days ago, prices likely went up or the last of the cheapish seats got bought
A lot of times, the prices from don't match up with the actual link when you click; or sometimes, they're based on an auction price. All the same, my point stands that Rodgers vs. Brady is the one game I'd pay money to watch live.
Agreed. Likely the last time they set foot on the same field.
$7 for Cleveland Browns tickets is still funny
guy traded his best player for 2 first round picks right before the season started. how can that be interpreted as anything but tanking? then trades away a starter for a draft pick midseason. how is that not tanking?
he signed a bunch of vets to 1 year deals... rashaan melvin, marcus gilchrist, doug martin, jordy nelson (1 year guaranteed, can be cut after this year. only has injury guarantee for next year), daryl worley, tj clemmings, dwayne harris, emmanuel lamur, clinton mcdonald, leon hall, reggie nelson, etc etc. all free agents that were signed to 1 year deals.
if he was really trying to get "vets he loves" he would have signed guys to deals longer than 1 year. the only mutliyear deal i can remember from the offseason was tahir whitehead. you think he's the sign that gruden is going all-in? lmao
I pay almost no attention to the Raiders, and I know they're tanking.
the players arent playing for him though... that's a concern
Don't worry. Gruden has a cell phone just like us. And word is that it's ringing off the hook with players who want to play for the Raiders.
Just look at how he destroyed the team Dungy built for him in Tampa by bringing in a parade of washed vets. Media will never criticize him because he's "one of them," but he's one of the most overrated (and now overpaid) coaches in sports history.
Yeah Charles Woodson and Jerry Rice
Worst narrative ever. That was an veteran team and he walked into a spot where he didn’t have a first or second round pick for two years. The decline was inevitable.
Not to mention it ignores the fact that he built the raiders team that made it to the super bowl. Gannon, Rice, Garner... those were all Gruden moves.
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I always thought this too. Didn’t give a when I heard he was making a comeback. I know he had some good years with Oakland way back when but from recent memory I just remember that he produced mediocre Tampa Bay teams for the majority of the 2000’s.
never understood the hype but just goes to show that one SuperBowl gives you a lifetime of sucking no matter how long ago it was or what the cir stances were (inheriting a stacked team from Tony Dungy)
i would see it as trying to be Bill B. and failing miserably. I don't see why would he waste cap space on vets if he intended to rebuild the next year. Let's face it, he thought he could be compe ive, he failed and accepted it.
huh? the purpose of signing vets to 1 year deals is to preserve cap space for a rebuild. from our opening day 53 man roster, only 24 were on the team last year. he blew up the whole roster. that's a literal rebuild job lol
but no no, it makes much more sense to interpret blowing up over 50% of the roster and trading your best player for multiple draft picks on the eve of the season as somebody attempting to win now
i'm not a fan of how gruden has gone about this... and its pretty clear he's already lost the locker room, an ominous sign for a first year coach. but its laughable to suggest they were doing anything other than a rebuild
This ignores how Gruden made things worse by bringing in washed-up vets like Tim Brown, Charlie Garner, Todd Steussie, and Derrick Deese. That was the beginning of the end for those great Tampa teams.
yes there were bad moves made there as well... but garner played a total of 3 games for Tampa. his main flaw was inability to develop younger qb's despite his QB guru persona. he worked well with veteran QB's (brad johnson, rich gannon, jeff garcia).
i dont see how the bucs were ever going to sustain after giving up 2 firsts and 2 seconds though
but cap space is carried over
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