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    They won't let go because it's not just them, it's their family, their heritage, all their donors and cons uents, and their "friends" on the other side of the isle. They won't relinquish that power for nothing, no in' way. Just look at McCain... stayed there until he died.
    It damages the party, IMO... I know voters put them there, so there's that legitimacy, but it's we all know they're not there because they love public service... (lmao)

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    What results? Unemployment was already heavily on the decline when he took over, the economy was booming, facts. It's not like he was handed a recession or anything, AND, I specifically gave him credit for not ing it up, so it's not like I'm pretending he screwed it up.

    Another chance to list his famous policies and deregulation slips by. I already listed his supposedly biggest accomplishments, did I miss anything? You can correct me if I'm wrong, state your case.

    And when you say I'm crying you're attacking the messenger... I'm stating my opinion and having a civil convo with another poster. I disagree with people here all the time, tbh...
    Stimulus and tax cuts are both expansionary policy with similar economic effect. Dems love stimulus, GOPs love tax cuts. Both are equally hard to pay for for the government. But tax cuts put more money in peoples' pockets unlike stimulus spending bills.

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    What results? Unemployment was already heavily on the decline when he took over, the economy was booming, facts. It's not like he was handed a recession or anything, AND, I specifically gave him credit for not ing it up, so it's not like I'm pretending he screwed it up.

    Another chance to list his famous policies and deregulation slips by. I already listed his supposedly biggest accomplishments, did I miss anything? You can correct me if I'm wrong, state your case.

    And when you say I'm crying you're attacking the messenger... I'm stating my opinion and having a civil convo with another poster. I disagree with people here all the time, tbh...
    expecting derp to support his position? do you not remember the "hogg is a liar" thread?

    dude still shrivels when ask to name a single crime he thinks the clintons committed despite his constant claims that they had been running a criminal enterprise for decades

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    .... Scott wins.


    Fox just needs to call the Tester race for me to go to sleep. Got work tomorrow.

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    "Obamacare was never a job killer,

    it just jacked up the premiums beyond repair."



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    I was wondering why Trump didn't just say "4000 refugees headed our way? , send the welcome wagon.. we welcome them!"

    That would have squashed a lot of momentum.
    Nobody sane believes a word he says at this point anyways, so I'm not sure it would've mattered. Plus, it's hard to make a point about building a wall if Nicaraguan zombies aren't attacking...

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    Nah, age is one problem, presentation is the other problem. If there's somebody that can look even more than a fool than Trump, that's Biden. Plus, you need fresh faces... look at Obama, even Trump... people with short political careers, where they don't have a ton of skeleton in their closets...

    I don't have a beef with Joe personally, he's just not a great candidate at this point in his career and with the current climate.
    Maybe but so many of the new faces are far left progressive re s. many of the people who won tonight were centrists and moderates. Nelson ran ahead of Gillum even which was surprising. Beto did good but a lot of that was Cruz being awful.

    Another thing too is I joked earlier about the darkie Gillum firing up the white trash rural people to get out and vote but its true. a lot of these people have been fired up by rightwing grievance bull for 10 years now. countrys different than it was in 2008 in that regard (though obama himself would beat Trump) Lot of Nathan89 and ducks type people doing votingrepublican.jpeg with every breath they breath that I even wonder how to reach some of these honkies. So its going to be interesting how a minority or which minority would do good in 2020. I would like mic e if not biden but shes not running.

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    Stimulus and tax cuts are both expansionary policy with similar economic effect. Dems love stimulus, GOPs love tax cuts. Both are equally hard to pay for for the government. But tax cuts put more money in peoples' pockets unlike stimulus spending bills.
    The difference being that public debt was actually shrinking towards the end of the previous administration... dubya's tax cuts came from the fact that Billy handed him a budget surplus. This is the same story over and over again...

    Trickle down doesn't exist since the financial sector makes more money than labor... at the end of the day, record profits for corps happen with barry and trump, so does the vehicle matter at all? The poor still poor, the rich still rich... there's no paradigm shift here.

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    expecting derp to support his position? do you not remember the "hogg is a liar" thread?

    dude still shrivels when ask to name a single crime he thinks the clintons committed despite his constant claims that they had been running a criminal enterprise for decades
    Vince Foster
    Bill raped
    Bill lied

    and then you have the sketchy, fraudulent stuff but not necessarily criminal like the Clinton Foundation taking ~90% of donations for their personal gains and real estate investments instead of the stuff they endorsed and advertised.

    & Hillary lied about being shot at in Yugoslavia

    Dropping the ball in Benghazi and then downplaying the severity of the outcome was a terrible look.

    The emails... Meh. That's a 50-50 thing. The Wikileaks guy who died in an "accident" around the time of the 2016 DNC was a bigger thing, imo.

    Used superdelegates (which are anti-American) and establishment financing and leverage to cheat Bernie big time.


    Don't ever try to defend crooked Shillary. Those are the Democrats that are getting curbstomped by the public. Tbh.
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    Pete Sessions lost his seat.

    Whoops.

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    Maybe but so many of the new faces are far left progressive re s. many of the people who won tonight were centrists and moderates. Nelson ran ahead of Gillum even which was surprising. Beto did good but a lot of that was Cruz being awful.

    Another thing too is I joked earlier about the darkie Gillum firing up the white trash rural people to get out and vote but its true. a lot of these people have been fired up by rightwing grievance bull for 10 years now. countrys different than it was in 2008 in that regard (though obama himself would beat Trump) Lot of Nathan89 and ducks type people doing votingrepublican.jpeg with every breath they breath that I even wonder how to reach some of these honkies. So its going to be interesting how a minority or which minority would do good in 2020. I would like mic e if not biden but shes not running.
    But the point is that neither base can win the general on their own. It's all about undecideds, and getting those people to vote. Those people clearly are tired of the same old politicos. Happened with Barry and Trump. That's why I can't understand why somebody like Pelosi doesn't do the party a favor and steps aside, at least as the house majority leader. She's going to be the face of the Dems for the next two years, and I'm already hating having a 4K TV...

    Bernie for example is relatable, but the fact that he means what he says scares some people (I do think he would've done better than Shillary though). So yeah, some young white moderate would work.

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    Now Trump gets to blame everything bad that happens for the next two years on the democrats! Gaining seats in the Senate was a big deal. The House can potentially flip every two years. Not the Senate.

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    Vince Foster
    Bill raped
    Bill lied

    and then you have the sketchy, fraudulent stuff but not necessary criminal like the Clinton Foundation taking ~90% of donations for their personal gains and real estate investments instead of the stuff they endorsed and advertised.

    & Hillary lied about being shot at in Yugoslavia

    Dropping the ball in Benghazi and then downplaying the severity of the outcome was a terrible look.

    The emails... Meh. That's a 50-50 thing. The Wikileaks guy who died in an "accident" around the time of the 2016 DNC was a bigger thing, imo.

    Used superdelegates (which are anti-American) and establishment financing and leverage to cheat Bernie big time.


    Don't ever try to defend crooked Shillary. Those are the Democrats that are getting curbstomped by the public. Tbh.
    You're a Pizzagate away from a full deck there.

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    You're a Pizzagate away from a full deck there.
    Which one of those allegations do you disagree with? She's a slab of meat.

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    Pete Sessions lost his seat.

    Whoops.
    Covers liberal central Dallas through SMU and then Vickery Meadow (nearly 100% minority community, also had the Ebola in 2014) into eastern Dallas metro area, so no surprise.

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    I'm no Hillary fan, but you boys have been duped by 25 years of Repug slander, NONE of which has stuck in court, or even BEEN in court.

    It's pure lies, slander, because Repugs knew, many years ago, that Hillary was sure to be Dem candidate and Pres.

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    Which one of those allegations do you disagree with? She's a slab of meat.
    well, they're allegations, that's the point. (and not defending Shillary here, who I find a power-hungry de able person).

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    Now Trump gets to blame everything bad that happens for the next two years on the democrats! Gaining seats in the Senate was a big deal. The House can potentially flip every two years. Not the Senate.
    I agree 100%. Dems would have preferred a loss in the House if it meant getting a Senate majority.

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    Vince Foster
    Bill raped
    Bill lied

    and then you have the sketchy, fraudulent stuff but not necessarily criminal like the Clinton Foundation taking ~90% of donations for their personal gains and real estate investments instead of the stuff they endorsed and advertised.

    & Hillary lied about being shot at in Yugoslavia

    Dropping the ball in Benghazi and then downplaying the severity of the outcome was a terrible look.

    The emails... Meh. That's a 50-50 thing. The Wikileaks guy who died in an "accident" around the time of the 2016 DNC was a bigger thing, imo.

    Used superdelegates (which are anti-American) and establishment financing and leverage to cheat Bernie big time.


    Don't ever try to defend crooked Shillary. Those are the Democrats that are getting curbstomped by the public. Tbh.
    I don't think Philo is being completely accurate. Spurtacular was asked to name a crime the Clintons have been charged with. Anyone here can name crimes most politicians have committed daily. Speeding for example.

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    Pete Sessions lost his seat.

    Whoops.
    Sup Spurs Homer

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    I'm no Hillary fan, but you boys have been duped by 25 years of Repug slander, NONE of which has stuck in court, or even BEEN in court.

    It's pure lies, slander, because Repugs knew, many years ago, that Hillary was sure to be Dem candidate and Pres.
    Shillary was a cheater, criminal, liar, snake and plausible murderer. That much is true.


    Yeah, the GOP will slander someone like Bernie, but it won't work. Bernie is a genuine, candid guy who means what he says. Beto is an interesting candidate because he's too young to really slander much.

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    I don't think Philo is being completely accurate. Spurtacular was asked to name a crime the Clintons have been charged with. Anyone here can name crimes most politicians have committed daily. Speeding for example.
    ^Philo

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    I don't think Philo is being completely accurate. Spurtacular was asked to name a crime the Clintons have been charged with. Anyone here can name crimes most politicians have committed daily. Speeding for example.
    from speeding to everything Anthony Weiner did. but yeah.

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    Now Trump gets to blame everything bad that happens for the next two years on the democrats! Gaining seats in the Senate was a big deal. The House can potentially flip every two years. Not the Senate.
    He already did that the past two years when the dems didn't even have a majority. That's really the problem with Dennison, he has zero credibility/political discipline.

    tbh, results are in line with what was expected. I didn't even think Dems would scoop in 4 governorship...

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    Sinema is in a tight race too atm. Whats the current senate numbers? If its like 54-46 R senate very hard for Democrats to flip it in 2020 even if they win the general
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